18th December 2005, 9:22 AM
(This post was last modified: 18th December 2005, 11:24 AM by Paco.)
lazyfatbum Wrote:Paco/ You have no idea what you're talking about. Sit down. No hardware on Earth is capable of 'better draw distance' or 'smoother animations' those have always been dictated by the developers and real time lighting isn't processor intensive, just time consuming in development. Watch the trailer for Kameo when it was running on GC, it looks exactly like the XBox version. You'll notice that in the GC trailer, the 'sea of orcs' scene is also there.Confused? I wasn't comparing the Xbox and GC versions. I thought you were suggesting that the GC version looked as good as the 360 version.
Quote:Do you even understand what HD is? If OB1 were here he would call you an idiot. Kameo on Revolution would look exactly the same in 480p as it would on 360 except the 360 would have higher resolutions on an HD television. If you removed the HD components of 360 you would need half or less than the system resources to run a 360 game. Half the system resources of 360 = Revolution. But most of all, it all comes down to how much a developer is willing to spend on the game in time and money. Thus the difference between something that looks like shit (everything on 360 right now except the Rare games and Donkey Kong World) and something that doesn't (The Rare games and Donkey Kong World). Madden 06 looks good, well, it looks okay. But it plays like ass, even the developer said "sorry, we spent all our time on graphics" and it shows. Good developers make the game pretty, not the system, the system is just a pile of resources and those resources (save for HD) are basically 2 to 3 times the power of XBox... which is a Revolution ("Basically 2 to 3 times more powerful than GC" which, in your own words, are 'on par' with XBox and in some cases even better).OB1 is not here, and I always thought he was an idiot.
I understand that the Revolution would not be capable of outputting over 480p, and the Xbox 360 is and does for Kameo. As Kameo is right now, made for the console with 512MB of RAM, the textures to take advantage of it, and a multicore CPU, I still say the Revolution could not outright run Kameo. It just makes sense there would have to be some degree of downgrading somewhere.
You don't know for fact that Kameo could be done on the Revolution, you just don't so I'm going to ignore what you said there. I'm not saying it can't for fact (though it seems very likely), but how can you say it could? You don't even have any Revolution games to compare. All you have to go off of is a quote from a Nintendo representative saying that the graphics will be on par with Xbox 360 and PS3. How is that any different than a Microsoft rep saying that Xbox 360 will be graphically on par with PS3?
Quote:Yeah Zelda TP and RE4 are no match for Halo. Fuck even Pikmin 2 looks better than most XBox games. Do you even play video games? Or do you just go around forums making wild statements to see a reaction? Reminds me of DJ telling people he's a girl. You even said in a different thread that RE4 is the most impressive game graphically (you sure as shit aint talkin about the PS2 version) and now you act as if it doesn't exist, or the Prime series, or WW and TP or REmake and RE0. TP I bet would look very similar on XBox if there were any programers that dev for it worth their salt (which there are not save Capcom and Rare who dont measure up to Nintendo's devs) to crank it out but it's well known that the XBox cant do the level of cel shading done in WW.LOL, you're ranting about something I didn't say. Read my post again, and carefully. I said they are mostly on par, meaning they are about equal. As for the Resident Evil 4 comment, I said that it is no less impressive than, for example, Ninja Gaiden. Feel free to check it for yourself, and please don't misquote me or put words in my mouth. OB1 did it and it was very annoying.
I play lots of games. When I made my comment I thought back to all the play time I've put on: Halo, Halo 2, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Fable, Ninja Gaiden, Dead or Alive 3, Dead or Alive Ultimate, Conker: Live and Reloaded, Panzer Dragoon Orta, F-Zero GX, Resident Evil Remake, Resident Evil Zero, Resident Evil 4, Project Gotham Racing, Project Gotham Racing 2, Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay...
Yes, I have played many games on both systems and that is how I came to my conclusion that they are mostly on par. So comeback from leftfield and let's continue this...
Quote:All systems have their strong points and weaknesses and it's up to developers to wrok around them. You cannot tell me that 360 games look vastly superior to the current gen XBox games because they dont, save for a handful of nice effects here and there. The reason they look like that is because it takes a system about 3 times more powerful than XBox to display current gen XBox games in full HD.It takes a stronger system to bring all those effects together.
I think we've been down this road before and we came to a stand still as far as our impressions go for next-generation games. I think Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, and Project Gotham Racing 3 look next-gen, and not possible on current generation systems as they are. The Xbox or GC would not be capable of bringing everything that the 360 does together; the phenomenal lighting, the noticeably higher polygon count, the HD resolution, the rich textures, the particle effects, etc. It's only going to get better.
That being said, the Xbox 360 simply has more resources for developers to work with. I simply don't understand how you can make the bold face claim that Revolution games will for fact look as good 360 games, even on a standard TV. You have nothing to support your arguement other than a comment made someone from Nintendo. On the other hand you have the stark contrast in their hardware specs to indicate that they systems are for fact not on par.
Quote:*tears open your ass and wears you like a suit* LOOK AT ME I'M PACO I BLINDLY DEFEND THE CONSOLE OF A FACELESS CORPORATION BECAUSE THEY MAKE MY DICK FEEL LONGER *YINYAP YINYAP YINYAP*If I didn't picture you as a full grown man adorned in Nintendo apparel huddled in the middle of all his Nintendo consoles then I might take you seriously and be a little hurt. It's very obvious that you're just hopeful, because you really don't have a leg to stand on as far as a comparison goes. If you'd like to drag this back up once the first Revolution games are shown and make wild speculations as to what effects are being done then do it, I'll jump in and we can keep going round and round like this.
I'm not defending Microsoft, I'm just looking at what's been shown thus far. I hate repeating myself but I'm going to just to drive the point home...
Single CPU < 3 Core CPU
About 100 MB of RAM < 512MB of RAM
There's an obvious difference in numbers there. Your conclusion that that difference only lends itself to HD output sounds more hopeful than it does as a technical analysis. I think you need to chill out. As far as I know Nintendo doesn't hand out a "Rabid and Blind Defender of the Big N" award.
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