4th March 2004, 3:02 PM
A Black Falcon Wrote:So what, we have just abstinence education in schools? That would be a complete and total failure as it has been when tried. Yes, it needs to be taught as just saying 'use a condom' would encourage teenage sexuality, which is a bad thing, but it MUST be taught and condoms made available in some way because a lot of people will not listen and needlessly exposing them to great danger is a really bad idea.
Oh and doing like you and teaching scare stories that are far from fact about condoms is a very bad idea as well. Most of them aren't true and all it does it makes people have unprotected sex which is orders of magnitude worse than using protection...
Oh and as for corporal punishment (you mean things like spanking?), that's not right... oh sure you need to punish people but that isn't nice. What my parents did most of the time was made me have a time out on the stairs for a few minuites... hitting children is cruel and should not be allowed. You need to find some kind of replacement punishments of course because as I said you can't just let people do anything, but hitting? Absolutely not.
And yes, religion does bring a moral sense and all that. However you do not need to believe in god to have that... religion just makes it easy by providing a set of beliefs for you that you don't really have to question. This is truth. And people listen and believe... and follow. For every good thing religion has done in human history it's had several bad effects, for sure. Belief is a powerful thing and can do good (like it is proven that if you think you will get better in some cases you can get better -- the placebo effect pretty much), but it also excludes others and that causes all kinds of very bad side effects. Excluding is bad. That is unless someone's doing something criminal... but that brings up what law should be based on and how religions frequently bend the laws so that it's okay to destroy those other groups who disagree with you...
Oh I can't help making some more comments... like Jesus. He had a very good message that (for the time for sure) was a great ideal. But people are human and power corrupts so quickly Christianity became what Jesus had preached against... Christianity as it is applied is nothing like Jesus's teachings. If he could live after he died I'm sure he'd be appalled... his teachings don't make much of any room for the kind of violent hatred that permeates christianity.
And France is in the right in completely seperating church and state. This specific law I'm not completely sure but I can see why they are doing it... The US is just a few hundred years behind the rest of the first world, that's all. Oh and remember -- this action in France is not liberal. It is conservative. As I have said before. Don't confuse your values with universal conservative values! They are not! In the rest of the first world conservatives are not ultra-religious, for the most part. Witness how Jaques Chirac in France is, I'm pretty sure, from the conservative French party... and as for this law we've discussed it in length before so I don't know if there's a point in doing it again.
When I went in sex Ed at school I find different teachers teach it differently , But the first one spoke as if deseases and preganancies are the only down side to casual sex.Which is false as Geno brought out there is emotional damage and it can ruin your family and your life.
The HIV thing isnt a some false horror story its the truth and it was your own damned goverment that did a study on it during the Clinton adminstration, When scientist wonderd why people who used Condoms still got HIV,they discoverd that HIV Molicules are smaller then the wall of a condom and would pass through, Now they probaily refited the standard condoms afterwards, Condoms are not 100% anymore then contraception they can snap and tare or have tiny little micro holes in them. But since society no longer gives a shit about morality the only defense is condoms and they are better then nothing. They have even done studies with students and alot dont know much about HIV or Hepatitis A-c which is sad.
As for spankings, I believe your are wrong , I was spanked as a child and I have not had any emotional damage , I know my parents loved me even when i was a kid and i got spanked because I rebeled and lied and I learned from it not to repeat my bad behavour.Now I agree that using wooden rods or belts and objects is to much but a small slap to the hand or Butt wont cause any injuries and is resonable punnishment. Parents can do a variety of things like putting them in the corner or removing a privledge . but I am sorry some kids are too wild and bratty for time outs too work I find parents who are too soft or permissive with their kids end up raising total spoil brats . Slaps on the hand or buttochs are not extreme physical assualts and shouldnt be confused with child abuse.
As for religion there is alot of crimes done in the name of God so there for that religion is false and isnt the true faith As god is a peaceful Non violent entity who only uses force for just reasons, Yes christianity has been corrupted by a far majority and it may come as a Surprise but Jesus predicted this Apostasy when he was alive and fortold that it would be destroyed in armedgedon, The Apostle John Fortold that this Harlot(apostates) would fornicate with the kings and princes of all the nations and spill blood.All Nations according to teachings of Jesus belong to the devil and christians should no part of it , Jesus was a Pasifist and believed in non violence and he commanded that his followers be politicaly neutral, The Pope is a example of the corruption as he frequiently meets with Political leaders and tries too Push them around spreading his doctrine.There are non major christians that dont get involved in politics and remained neutral.