24th December 2003, 1:24 PM
Gamespot often has quality awards... I certainly don't always agree with them but I can generally see why they'd choose the games they do. It doesn't always seem that way with IGN...
Like in '98 they said Grim Fandango was GOTY. Now of course I'd give it to Starcraft, but GF is a brilliant game and certainly better than most everyone else's choice, which was Half-Life...
As far as I can tell that's the first time E-Books have been mentioned in this thread, so I really don't know what you are talking about... and if you honestly think that text-based games are as far from 2d games are hotdogs are from motorcycles, then I have nothing to say because you are clearly severely delusional. But I don't know because I can't really figure out your arguement, a fact not helped along by the fact you spend pages yelling at me for every sentence you spend actually explaining what your position is...
How about this. Zork vs. King's Quest I vs. Secret of Monkey Island vs. Curse of Monkey Island vs. Grim Fandango. All are adventure games. One is text-based, two are 2d, and one is 3d. The first one is controlled just with a parser. The second uses the keyboard/mouse for movement as well as a parser. The third has verbs on screen you choose to interact with things in the environment. The fourth has a streamlined three-icon system with just talk, take, and look. The last has a similar number of actions but is 3d (though with prerendered backdrops and set camera angles) and you directly control the character with a gamepad. Now, the graphics, controls, complexity of controls, etc. are very different between each of these games, that is incontestible. But is what you do in Zork different much at all from King's Quest of Monkey Island? No, of course not! Those games all play similarly. Now yes, there is a bigger jump from text to 2d than there is from 2d to 3d, that is true. But as that list of games shows the jump wasn't that huge in gameplay terms, which is obviously what really matters... sure, in King's Quest you are looking at a screen. But I bet the game could be done almost as well if it was just text, and wouldn't have to be changed much at all... it's facts like this that show how delusional your opinion that text-based games are so dramatically different from graphical ones is.
Now... I'm NOT talking about the definiton of video games here. I am talking exclusively about computer games. I don't really care about the definition of videogames... as I said, it's just semantics.
Well okay maybe not equal distances apart but as I show above it's not very different. And anyway what gives you the idea that I'm talking about videogames here? As I said, I don't care about the definiton of videogames, whichever way it is, and am just talking about text vs. 2d and 3d, not anything about the definition of videogames which is irrelevant to this discussion.
Like in '98 they said Grim Fandango was GOTY. Now of course I'd give it to Starcraft, but GF is a brilliant game and certainly better than most everyone else's choice, which was Half-Life...
Quote:And who the hell is talking about CYOA books? I was talking about e-books! You never pay attention, boy! And saying that non-video games are as far apart from actual video games as 2D video games are from 3D video games is the dumbest thing I've heard from you in... well, not very long acually, but... well it's just plain stupid! It's like saying that hotdogs are as different from motorcycles as bikes are.
As far as I can tell that's the first time E-Books have been mentioned in this thread, so I really don't know what you are talking about... and if you honestly think that text-based games are as far from 2d games are hotdogs are from motorcycles, then I have nothing to say because you are clearly severely delusional. But I don't know because I can't really figure out your arguement, a fact not helped along by the fact you spend pages yelling at me for every sentence you spend actually explaining what your position is...
How about this. Zork vs. King's Quest I vs. Secret of Monkey Island vs. Curse of Monkey Island vs. Grim Fandango. All are adventure games. One is text-based, two are 2d, and one is 3d. The first one is controlled just with a parser. The second uses the keyboard/mouse for movement as well as a parser. The third has verbs on screen you choose to interact with things in the environment. The fourth has a streamlined three-icon system with just talk, take, and look. The last has a similar number of actions but is 3d (though with prerendered backdrops and set camera angles) and you directly control the character with a gamepad. Now, the graphics, controls, complexity of controls, etc. are very different between each of these games, that is incontestible. But is what you do in Zork different much at all from King's Quest of Monkey Island? No, of course not! Those games all play similarly. Now yes, there is a bigger jump from text to 2d than there is from 2d to 3d, that is true. But as that list of games shows the jump wasn't that huge in gameplay terms, which is obviously what really matters... sure, in King's Quest you are looking at a screen. But I bet the game could be done almost as well if it was just text, and wouldn't have to be changed much at all... it's facts like this that show how delusional your opinion that text-based games are so dramatically different from graphical ones is.
Now... I'm NOT talking about the definiton of video games here. I am talking exclusively about computer games. I don't really care about the definition of videogames... as I said, it's just semantics.
Quote:And saying that non-video games are as far apart from actual video games as 2D video games are from 3D video games
Well okay maybe not equal distances apart but as I show above it's not very different. And anyway what gives you the idea that I'm talking about videogames here? As I said, I don't care about the definiton of videogames, whichever way it is, and am just talking about text vs. 2d and 3d, not anything about the definition of videogames which is irrelevant to this discussion.