PS2 must-haves...

[Sacred Jellybean]

I'm heavily considering buying a PS2. I've decided that if I can come up with a total of 8 games that I can't live without, I shall pick up the ugly black GameCube stand.

Accepted
Silent Hills 2 & 3 (decided to list them together)
Dance Dance Revolution (can someone confirm how much this costs with the dance pad?)
Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus
GTA3 / Vice City
Maximo
ICO


Rejected
Ahh, screw this... too much effort.

2 more to go.

Thanks guys! I really appreciate your input. :)

[Dark Jaguar]

How about Kingdom Hearts, Devil May Cry (1 and 2, you might list those together too), Ico (iffy, you may not like how short it ends up being), and the upcoming Xenosaga?

[EdenMaster]

They have The Sims if you like it on PC, then again they are porting it to all consoles, so just ignore this post.

Move along, nothing to see here...

[Dark Jaguar]

If he has it on PC, why would he want it on PS2? I imagine using a mouse would be far preferable, plus you can actually install expansions on the PC version.

You're right, nothing to see in that post :D.

[Private Hudson]

Why have you rejected the 2 best games released this generation??

Anyways, here's a nice little list I compiled of exclusive games (or arent on GCN) that are definately worth purchasing (excluding your rejected 2) and have already been released:

The ones in bold are highly recommended

ICO
Jak & Daxter
Gran Turismo 3
Burnout 2
Ratchet & Clank
Frequency
Kingdom Hearts
Devil May Cry
The Getaway
Grand Theft Auto 3/Vice City
Virtua Fighter 4
Tekken 4
SOCOM: US Navy Seals
Twisted Metal: Black
Onimusha 1/2
Red Faction (the sequal is going to GCN)
Shinobi
The Mark of Kri
Slipheed
Sly Cooper and the Theivius Raccoonus
Capcom vs. SNK 2
Pro Evolution Soccer 2
Ace Combat 4: Shattered Skies
Summoner 1 (the sequal is going to GCN)
Rygar
Klonoa 2
Suikoden 3
Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit 2
Silent Hill 2
Hitman 2
Maximo
WWE Smackdown 4: Shut Your Mouth
Rez
Contra: Shattered Soldier

That's all I can think of.. hope it helps you ;) There are plenty more that you would enjoy, but those are just the "must haves" :)

[Fittisize]

Kingdom Hearts

[Weltall]

Xenosaga, Silent Hill 3, and Star Ocean 3 should be on every PS2 list.

[OB1]

If all you care about is game-length, go play Morrowind. If you want one of the most gorgeous, immersive, original, and artistic games ever made... get ICO.

[Sacred Jellybean]

Hudson/ To answer your question about FFX and MGS2, I don't like RPGs, and I wasn't a big fan of the first Metal Gear Solid. Although it looks interesting, I wouldn't consider it a must-have.

[Private Hudson]

I'll tell you that I wasn't that big of a fan of the first MGS, either. It was a good game, but didn't deserve the acclaim it received.

IMO, MGS2 is simply amazing. And really can't be appreciated your first time through (because the game is mostly run by the love/hate story). But if you take your time and play around (particularly with the guards), it'll some of the best gaming fun you've ever had. :)

And if you have ever loved or liked a racing game, get Burnout 2. Best racer, ever. :)

[Dark Jaguar]

You rejected Kingdom Hearts AND Devil May Cry AND Xenosaga?! Wow man! You have some strict standards! Okay, I can deal ya somethin' then.

How about Chrono Break? That's a while off, but if Chrono Trigger's awesomeness, and Chrono Cross's 10x awesomeness are any indication, Chrono Break SHOULD be, um, awesome. This is a game that is MAJOR to most by the way.

There's also Legaia 2 (I forget the full name) which is the sequal to Legend of Legaia 1, a Sony made RPG. The first one had a pretty original combat system for the time (it was being made roughly the same time Xenogears was, so it's hard to say who stole the idea from who for a fighting game style RPG combat system). However, the random battles are thickly placed if you don't like that sort of thing. Me, I take them in my stride because my goal isn't just to get from point a to point b, but rather to seek out pretty much any challenge that's tossed to me in a game (wow, that sounded pompous and ignorant of the real reasons some don't agree with my point of view, but oh well dem's the breaks).

There's also Ape Escape 2, or whatever that's full name is. It's the sequal to, well, it's pretty obvious actually. Anyway, the first one was a good game indeed. It had quite an interesting method of collecting the game's "jiggies" (ie, chasing them down and catching them), and time trial mode which I must say was a VERY difficult final challenge. It was actually made to demonstrate to developers how useful two control sticks really could be, since so many developers weren't even using the second stick. Much like many of Rare's N64 games though, there was the flaw that once you beat the final boss, you could never beat it again without starting a new game. Anyway, I'm interested to see the sequal.

However, of the three I listed, Chrono Break should be the biggest of them.

[Weltall]

Beano, when you get Silent Hill 2, make absolutely sure it's the Greatest Hits version. There is a big difference between the greatest hits and the normal version, namely, the GH version has a bunch of extra stuff that you gotta see. And it's only $20.

[Dark Jaguar]

Isn't there a difference in subtitles too? Go for the Restless Dreams one.

Anyway, on a totally random note, I finally found another link to the Yatta music video after the old one shut down.

http://www.redlinechicago.com/arvid/yatta/

[Weltall]

Originally posted by Dark Jaguar
Isn't there a difference in subtitles too? Go for the Restless Dreams one.

Anyway, on a totally random note, I finally found another link to the Yatta music video after the old one shut down.

http://www.redlinechicago.com/arvid/yatta/

Restless Dreams was the subtitle for the XBox version. It's identical to Silent Hill 2 Greatest Hits.

The subtitle to the regular game is Letter From Silent Heaven, and the sub-quest is Born From A Wish.

*knows everything about everything having to do with Silent Hill*

[Dark Jaguar]

I thought they would have changed the subtitle for the updated PS2 version too, just like I assume they will when MGS2:Substance is released on PS2.

[lazyfatbum]

Burnout 2 is also on GC with much prettier graphics.

If you're not interested in RPGs Bean, then all you need for PS2 is the Silent Hill games. Ignore the "Me Too" platformers and head straight for the gold of the system: Rygar and Maximo. These game should have been on a Nintendo system and it might be later but oh well.

Wasn't there a Devil May Cry game coming out for Gamecube?

[Dark Jaguar]

Sly Cooper is actually one of the best platformers in this generation, and apparently not a "me too" but actually a bit original. That is to say, I haven't played it yet, but that's the general opinion.

[OB1]

Haha, you proclaim it as one of the best platformers of this generation without even playing it?? Hoo boy...

Lazy is correct. Maximo and Rygar are both terrific games, and they totally should have been on the Gamecube. Especially since most people will overlook Rygar for Devil May Cry 2, since Rygar is so similar to the first DMC (but a lot better).

[Dark Jaguar]

I myself didn't proclaim it to be that at all, I was just passing the word along from other people who have. For all I know, they could in fact be wrong. Why do you think I even stated I never played it? It was to let you be aware that it's not even my opinion.

[OB1]

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I've played it. Pretty fun game, but I'll wait until it becomes a greatest hits title before I buy it.

[A Black Falcon]

Only Burnout 1 is on GC, not Burnout 2... though Acclaim has announced that Burnout 2 will come to NGC (and X-Box I think, but I'm not sure) this year...

Oh, and Private Hudson, Gamespot reviewed The Getaway... and don't give it a very good review. 6.9.
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/pro...19,00.html

[Fittisize]

Oh yeah, Chrono Cross (if your into PS1 games). Trust me, I STRONGLY urge you to get it. It is the best RPG of all time, and I'm sure many who have played it will agree. (Gamespot gave it a perfect 10, and Gamespot rarely gives out any 10's. In fact, almost never)

[Private Hudson]

Originally posted by A Black Falcon
Only Burnout 1 is on GC, not Burnout 2... though Acclaim has announced that Burnout 2 will come to NGC (and X-Box I think, but I'm not sure) this year...

Oh, and Private Hudson, Gamespot reviewed The Getaway... and don't give it a very good review. 6.9.
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/pro...19,00.html

I've seen the reviews of the game. Kind of weird that everyone finds it so frustrating to play. I've never had a single problem with any complaint given. Neither have any of my friends, nor anybody I know who has played the game. They all love it. I strongly urge everyone to at least try it. It's obviously a hit or miss kind of game.

Burnout 2 is also on GC with much prettier graphics.

Considering no pictures or movies have been released, that's a pretty big claim. But Bean is getting a PS2 soon, why wait for a version which may or may not look better? IMO, it's already the best looking racing game ever. Gorgeous.

Ignore the "Me Too" platformers

Yes, ignore Mario Sunshine, and get the true platforming gems of this generation, Ratchet & Clank and Sly Cooper.

And I still don't see why Rygar and Maximo should have been on the GCN, rather than the PS2. Particularly if you are going to bring sales into this (OB1). Not one multiplatform GCN game has outsold the same game on the PS2, ever.

[lazyfatbum]

Ratchet and Clank is boring and Sly Cooper is slightly above average, definately not comparable to Mario Sunshine.


"Ratchet and Clank is a genuinely enjoyable experience, even if it's neither the most innovative nor original one I've ever had." ~Douglass Perry, IGN


"While many of the (Sly Cooper) gameplay techniques are derived from Mario-style gameplay, the game design in part follows a more Crash Bandicoot style.... I beat the game in less than 12 hours." ~Douglass Perry, IGN


I'd go look up more stuff about these games but the point i'm trying to make is moot anyway. You have said many times that you simply despise platformers and then tell people that Playstation's platformers are the best when they clearly are not. Be it from opinion or factual data.

And isn't it obvious that one would assume that the gaming system that is easily 10 times as powerful as another would have a better looking game? Of course it's up to the developers but the potential is definately there. Burnout 2 may end up looking the best on PS2 than all other versions (GC and XBox) but seeing as how the Playstation 2 is by far the weakest console on the market, I tend to doubt it.

Finally you say you dont understand why a certain game or series should be on one system or another. This is because of your lack of understanding in the more hardcore realms of video gaming. The super nerds and geeks (like me) who know how wrong it is to see a Final Fantasy game on a system other than Nintendo; The same goes for Ghosts N'Goblins and it's series. It was primarily a Nintendo staple. Rygar, which saw one game eons ago, was another Nintendo staple albeit a cult hit. I never said anything about sales. They should have been on a Nintendo system simply because they deserved to be.

[OB1]

True. Maximo sold like crap on the PS2 because most PS2 gamers started playing video games with the PSX and aren't familiar with old-school franchises like Ghosts 'n Goblins. I am positive that Maximo would have sold better if it were on the GC instead of the PS2.

And lazy, just ignore Hudson here. The only platformer that comes close to being as good as Mario Sunshine is Mario 64 (and the Banjo games), and this kid doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. I've played Ratchet and Sly Cooper for several hours, and I returned both of them because they weren't worth $40 each. He probably quit playing Mario Sunshine as soon as it started getting tough.

[Private Hudson]

Originally posted by lazyfatbum
Ratchet and Clank is boring and Sly Cooper is slightly above average, definately not comparable to Mario Sunshine.

"Ratchet and Clank is a genuinely enjoyable experience, even if it's neither the most innovative nor original one I've ever had." ~Douglass Perry, IGN


"While many of the (Sly Cooper) gameplay techniques are derived from Mario-style gameplay, the game design in part follows a more Crash Bandicoot style.... I beat the game in less than 12 hours." ~Douglass Perry, IGN

Your quotes are moot (as you later stated) and trying to pass them off as some sort of fact is truely naive. We are all talking opinion here, anyway.

I'd go look up more stuff about these games but the point i'm trying to make is moot anyway. You have said many times that you simply despise platformers and then tell people that Playstation's platformers are the best when they clearly are not. Be it from opinion or factual data.

"clearly are not"? Are we not talking about opinion here? Mario Sunshine was just the same old thing, but with a waterpack that really didn't do anything to differenciate it enough from Mario 64.

The all out action of Ratchet & Clank, and the stealth elements of Sly Cooper made the games feel like something DIFFERENT that I haven't already played 100 times before. I'm certainly not going to excuse it based purely on the fact that it's Mario, and it's been 6 years since Mario last made an appearance.

And isn't it obvious that one would assume that the gaming system that is easily 10 times as powerful as another would have a better looking game? Of course it's up to the developers but the potential is definately there. Burnout 2 may end up looking the best on PS2 than all other versions (GC and XBox) but seeing as how the Playstation 2 is by far the weakest console on the market, I tend to doubt it.

Ok then. Go to work, and ask your friends just what exactly makes the GCN "easily" 10x more powerful than the PS2. Of course, if you were referring to texturing ability, then sure there are some major advantages in the GCN (PS2 has a majaor bottlenck from the CPU<--->GPU constricting it's textures severly) GCN has a basic technical advantage of over 10x. However, there are compression and layering techniques on the PS2 that are either currently unused, or largely underused ATM. But it does not have 10x the polygons pushing power nor 10x the special effects abilities.

Then, the fact that Burnout 2 is running on RenderWare and is utilising some of the PS2's intricacies (not necessarily maxing, however), making the [b]PORT (which never receive much attention to begin with) even more difficult.

There's a chance that the game will look margainly better, but it's hardly worth the wait. Assuming it is still coming out for the other platforms, we haven't heard anything in a while.

Not that it seems to be worth discussing, as Bean hasn't put it on his purchase list. But if he wanted it, why wait?

Finally you say you dont understand why a certain game or series should be on one system or another. This is because of your lack of understanding in the more hardcore realms of video gaming. The super nerds and geeks (like me) who know how wrong it is to see a Final Fantasy game on a system other than Nintendo; The same goes for Ghosts N'Goblins and it's series. It was primarily a Nintendo staple. Rygar, which saw one game eons ago, was another Nintendo staple albeit a cult hit. I never said anything about sales. They should have been on a Nintendo system simply because they deserved to be.

Well that's certainly understandable, albiet extremely trivial. I feel the same way when it comes to buying Sonic on GameCube (although if it goes multiplatform, that's certainly the version I'm getting) and many other franchises.

TimeSplitters 2 was a tricky one though. These guys worked on Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, then started their own company and made a launch game for the PS2. Then when the sequal came out, I didn't know whether to get the GCN version (they technically started on Nintendo) or the PS2 version (they actually started on PS2)........Uhm... yeah.

I am positive that Maximo would have sold better if it were on the GC instead of the PS2.

So, out of the 50+ multiplatform games that have been released on both PS2 and GCN, Maximo would be the only one that sold better on the GCN? I severly doubt that. Even thought the GameCube magically has more hardcore gamers who remember the good old days of Ghouls and Ghosts than the PS2 userbase

The majority of PS2 users are casual gamers who grew up on the PSX. But you have to remember that there are many thousands (millions?) or people such as yourself who DO remember the golden days of videogames. You are also greatly overestimating the amount of "hardcore" people who own GCN's.

And lazy, just ignore Hudson here. The only platformer that comes close to being as good as Mario Sunshine is Mario 64 (and the Banjo games), and this kid doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. I've played Ratchet and Sly Cooper for several hours, and I returned both of them because they weren't worth $40 each. He probably quit playing Mario Sunshine as soon as it started getting tough.

As soon as it started getting boring and same ol' same ol'.

Given that Bean is like you all (extensive background of favorability towards Nintendo products) I wouldn't expect him to think differently than any of you, though. My comment was originally just a jab at Lazy's "me too" comment.

[OB1]

-Ratchet and Clank is Spyro with guns. Not that original. Sly Copper is Crash Bandicoot with stealth. Not all that original.

-The GC version of TS2 is better than the PS2 version because of its more fluid framerate in split screen multiplayer. I also prefer the GC controller because of its more precise analogue stick, but that's just me.

[qute]So, out of the 50+ multiplatform games that have been released on both PS2 and GCN, Maximo would be the only one that sold better on the GCN? I severly doubt that. Even thought the GameCube magically has more hardcore gamers who remember the good old days of Ghouls and Ghosts than the PS2 userbase.[/quote]

I'm talking about if Maximo were GC exclusive it probably would have sold more than it did on the PS2. The PS2 sales were horrendous.

The majority of PS2 users are casual gamers who grew up on the PSX. But you have to remember that there are many thousands (millions?) or people such as yourself who DO remember the golden days of videogames. You are also greatly overestimating the amount of "hardcore" people who own GCN's.

You just contradicted yourself there, buddy.

[Sacred Jellybean]

Don't pigeon hole my interests with everyone else's based on my past gaming experience. It's naive. Wanker. :)

I think that if I were as satisfied with my GameCube as the rest of the members, I wouldn't need a secret lover.

[Private Hudson]

Originally posted by OB1
-Ratchet and Clank is Spyro with guns. Not that original. Sly Copper is Crash Bandicoot with stealth. Not all that original.

Guns that made the core gameplayt feel significantly faster, varied and more action packed. While playing the game I never once thought to myself "Ohhhhh, this is just Spyro the Dragon all over again".

Stealth that completely changed the basis of gameplay. So much so that it didn't feel like I was playing a Crash Bandicoot at all. The only similarities between Sly Cooper and Crash is the linear styles of the levels. Even though Sly is much more 'open' than Crash is.

-The GC version of TS2 is better than the PS2 version because of its more fluid framerate in split screen multiplayer. I also prefer the GC controller because of its more precise analogue stick, but that's just me.

Well, nice way to run off on a tangent, but whatever :p.

I've never been bothered by the occasional dips in TS2's multiplayer on the PS2 (I imagine it would be similar on the GCN). And I much prefer the PS2's controller.

I'm talking about if Maximo were GC exclusive it probably would have sold more than it did on the PS2. The PS2 sales were horrendous.

Ahh, different story. But it's still just speculation. I still don't think it would have sold as well as did on the PS2, but we'll never know.

You just contradicted yourself there, buddy.

I don't see it.

Don't pigeon hole my interests with everyone else's based on my past gaming experience. It's naive. Wanker

Well how else am I supposed to pidgeon hole your interests?

:p

Anyways, check out Ratchet & Clank then, I'm sure you'll be satisfied with it. :)

I think that if I were as satisfied with my GameCube as the rest of the members, I wouldn't need a secret lover.

I was completely satisfied with my PS2, but still bought a GCN and XBox, anyways. But point taken. :)