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Private Hudson · 13th January 2003, 10:31 PM

Falcon - Adventure came out in 1978, well before any PC graphic advenures.

But like I stated earlier, seeing as the text adventures are the TRUE adventures, and graphics adventures are BASED OFF the text adventures, then the Graphic Adventures are the true Adventures! Duh!

It's just like how games can be called RPG's DESPITE being based on the board games!! DUH!!!!!

RYO HAZUKI SHOULD FUCK NOZOMI!!!

***A Black Falcon*** · 13th January 2003, 10:33 PM

One question. What do you mean by "both"? If it refers to Zelda, well, Zelda isn't an adventure game. Despite what others may say, it isnt.
If you're talking about text and graphical adventures, well yeah both are adventure game types...

***Dark Jaguar*** · 13th January 2003, 11:13 PM

I'm saying that now that it's publicly accepted, and since you seemed to be saying there's no point in the debate (you at least seemed to want to end it, as do I) I suggested a way to work it out. That is to say, keep the double definition of the genre that's publicly accepted. Zelda style games sure feel like an adventure when I play them, and in fact they are adventures to play. So why not just agree that hey, since the definition is now acceptable by public standards (the one thing that defines words), that it is now a second correct definition. It wasn't THEN, but it is now.

"Both" meant both types of what are now called adventure games. If you keep on arguing that Zelda isn't an adventure, well you really aren't working towards ending this are ya?

***A Black Falcon*** · 13th January 2003, 11:22 PM

But if you end a debate, you can't "debate" the issue anymore, and who'd want THAT? :D
Oh, and I will never accept Zelda (or, obviously, Metroid Prime) as an adventure game. They just aren't.

And as for whats publicly accepted? I've never cared much about what the public thinks before, so I don't see why I should start now... :)

Private Hudson · 14th January 2003, 3:31 AM

Just because something is 'known' by everyone, does not make it a truth.

***Dark Jaguar*** · 14th January 2003, 5:25 AM

Unless it's a word's definition, because that's how words are defined in living languages.

Private Hudson · 14th January 2003, 5:35 AM

No...

It is being used incorrectly.

You may say that a game is of type X, and will get by in a conversation with using it in that context, but that does not mean that game is of type X. Just that you think it is.

Global misconception != truth

***Dark Jaguar*** · 14th January 2003, 6:03 AM

First off, you use Australian English, where you say stuff like "Good on ya mate", which makes NO sense, so what you think it means doesn't matter :D.

Second off, I never said that this applies to EVERYTHING, just language. "This" is reffering to popular opinion defining what is correct. Language is the one thing where that actually does matter. It's only used "incorrectly" until a significant number start using it that way. Once the majority use the word that way, bam, that's the definition.

Private Hudson · 14th January 2003, 6:42 AM

Well "Good on ya mate" makes a HELL of a lot more sense than "Ya'll take care now".. you bloody pansy.

Yes, that may be so in defining a word, after all we DO have different languages. But that is not the case here.

Hell, most people actually refer to Zelda as an RPG, I don't know where the hell this adventure crap came from.

You may call Zelda an adventure if you are using the term in it's loosest possible definition in casual conversation with a monkey, but you cannot state as a fact that it is an Adventure, just because you would believe/have accepted it to be true.

***Dark Jaguar*** · 14th January 2003, 11:53 AM

You hear that northern America? The outside world thinks YOU say that phrase too! So take THAT you people who think the southern states (and for some reason, that seems to include Oklahoma in their eyes, even though Oklahoma wasn't even a state during the whole era where north and south was seperated) say that phrase!

***A Black Falcon*** · 14th January 2003, 12:09 PM

When you look at a map, Oklahoma sure looks like its in the South... being right next to a whole bunch of Southern states, and all...
As for language, it is sort of true that the way something is spoken can become the rules... but more often, its just a popular but gramatically incorrect thing that, while used a lot, never actually becomes correct grammar. Most of the things mentioned here probably fit in that category. (like "To Boldly Go" in Star Trek... its not correct, but used a lot anyway...)
Adventure in 1978? Not the first version. As that link I posted shows, Adventure first was out in 1972 for the PDP-1 supercomputers... later for other systems, but that was the first version of it. And the first adventure game ever... apropriate that its was called "Adventure" (well, also "Colossal Cave", I believe). :)

OB1 · 14th January 2003, 2:58 PM

Holy shit, are you a stubborn ass. :shake: I'll repeat myself one more time:

Genre definitions differ between PCs and consoles, which is why I made this a console-only awards thing! Forget your PC definitions for a moment and just pick a damn game in each category. Zelda and Metroid are put into the "Adventure" category because it's the most appropriate of the choices. I don't care about whether or not Zelda is an RPG-action-adventure-elf-simulator and if Metroid is a first-person-action-adventure-exploration-bounty-hunter-simulator! I'm putting them in the simplified categories that best fit them.

Good lord! If you don't want to vote, then don't!

WhiteFleck · 14th January 2003, 3:29 PM

Thank you!

OB1 · 14th January 2003, 3:39 PM

You guys are really no fun at all.

OB1 · 14th January 2003, 6:01 PM

Ha! Looks like ign agrees with me for considering Metroid Prime to be an adventure game: http://cube.ign.com/articles/382/382305p1.html

He Who Annoys All · 15th January 2003, 5:44 PM

I tried to vote but my account wasn't working proporly at the time.

OB1 · 15th January 2003, 7:49 PM

Just send me an e-mail.

**Laser Link** · 15th January 2003, 9:30 PM

OB1, I think it's great that you went to all the trouble to make this, but I just don't have the time to go through all that. Maybe I can make an abbreviated list soon and send that in.

Private Hudson · 16th January 2003, 2:52 AM

It takes about as long as it would have taken for you to visit TC, read this thread, then post a reply.

**Laser Link** · 16th January 2003, 9:32 AM

I don't hardly have time to read TC. Actually, I don't, but I do it anyway.

OB1 · 16th January 2003, 10:57 AM

*sigh*

I knew this thing wouldn't work.

***A Black Falcon*** · 16th January 2003, 11:06 AM

One question (I will vote, eventually). Are the genre (and special award) categories for all systems, or just for the Cube? It looks like they are meant to be all system, but I'm not sure.

OB1 · 16th January 2003, 11:08 AM

All consoles.

Private Hudson · 26th January 2003, 9:11 PM

TELL US YOU STUPID FOOL!!! TELL US THE RESULTS!!!

OB1 · 27th January 2003, 3:04 PM

I got four people to send me their votes, and ABF decided to add PC games to the category (along with a dozen added genres) so that leaves three.

***A Black Falcon*** · 27th January 2003, 3:06 PM

Hey, DJ added those three genres (and PC games), not me!

Oh, I did add one genre, but that was because I couldn't let you win that Metroid Isnt an Adventure game argument after all of that... :)

OB1 · 27th January 2003, 3:16 PM

Great, so you disqualified yourself. Congrats.

And I don't remember DJ doing that. He never asked me about it at least.

***A Black Falcon*** · 27th January 2003, 3:54 PM

Where there are four entries who cares anyway?

OB1 · 27th January 2003, 4:11 PM

Well you certainly didn't help.

Private Hudson · 27th January 2003, 6:48 PM

:(

You're an asshole, OB1.

OB1 · 27th January 2003, 7:09 PM

For what? Not telling you who won?

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