11th June 2003, 8:10 PM
Quote:ABF, while I usually side with you on this issue, I think it's getting a bit silly, but I know what you mean. I think what he's trying to say is: (assuming the male perspective)
What do you mean?
What I see is that I don't see anything in your post I disagree with...
Quote:There are several instances of men who sleep around with girls all throughout high school and end up finding that they have more urges directed toward males. This person is gay. Because of the slant of society, a person that sleeps with guys for a while and finds that he is more attracted to females is also considered gay.
Is it a double standard? Absolutely. The second person should be considered straight. But is that ever going to happen? No.
That is exactly what I've been trying to say, with no success.
I don't think you'll have any more, unfortunately... when you are closed to looking at facts, I'd never expect you (the other side...) to suddenly look at them.
Its really odd. Normally in these discussions I can see twisted logic behind their positions, but on this one I see none at all... nonsensical or not. It just makes no sense whatsoever... until of course you change the definition of 'gay' to the one Weltall uses. But that one is biologically incorrect, so it would be stupid to do that... and using reality, its impossible for me to say how anyone could say that you are gay by any other means than who you find attractive... and it is possible to sleep with people who you don't find attractive, as Nintendarse says here. But I don't expect you to ever understand... you have proven to be remarkably closeminded. :(
Quote:So where does sexual attraction fit on this scale? Personally, I'd put it around 10% (maybe less). It's all pretty much subconscious/hormonal. You don't really choose when you get an erection.
Sexual action, on the other hand, I'd put up around 85%. While people can rarely effect what arouses them, they can control what they do about it. But as many teenagers can attest to, there are many times when you just HAVE to get off. This of course varies person-to-person, gets lower if you're drunk/high, and gets higher as you age.
But can't you always control your actions? Sure sometimes things happen but almost always because of other choices you made... I'd say its higher than 85%. Not 100, obviously... and it is true that many people just don't want to try to resist those things... but that's a choice too.
As for homosexuality, 10%'s not bad because environment and upbrining might have some influence, but you have very, very little, really no, control over it.