This is sooo gay

[Weltall]

Originally posted by big guy
while you have disproven that engaging in gay acts is not genetic, you have done absolutely nothing to prove that homosexual [b]attraction is not genetic, and i don't think there's any evidence to disprove it.[/quote[/b]

Sure there is. That falls under the simple high school science/psychology thing: You aren't born with preferences. You aren't born with a favorite food, you aren't born a rock fan, you aren't born with long hair or a beard, you aren't born knowing you like to swim or run or do yoga, you aren't born liking to read, you aren't born liking to drink Pepsi. You aren't even born loving your own mother, that happens because you become attached to the person who cares for you most in your earliest days, and if that person is someone other than your mother, then they get the motherly treatment from you. How on earth can you tell me that none of this can happen, yet you pop out of the womb secure in the knowledge you'll be gay or straight in twenty years? Physical or simple attraction, that's utterly ridiculous. Newborn infants are not capable of that. If you aren't born knowing your own mother from Jane Doe, how can you possibly expect me to believe you are born knowing whether to screw guys or women? Its preposterous.

[quote]Yeah, Weltall, there's a difference between an act of homosexuality and being turned on by an act of homosexuality. As you said, you, I, and anyone else with the PHYSICAL CAPABILITY can go and have sex with a guy. On the other hand, this is merely physical, and doesn't take into consideration any emotional or mental motivation that a person has to have sex. You could go and toss a guy's salad from dusk till dawn, but does that mean you'll get off on it? Of course not... same with homosexuals: they have the physical capability of having sex the way society tells them they should, but that doesn't mean they'll enjoy it. That's their whole motivation for having sex with a member in the same gender in the first place, and it must be pretty damned big if they're willing to alienate homophobic family members/friends to engage in it.

One may abstain from sex all s/he pleases, but that doesn't make the sex drive go away. If that were true, I'd never have any need for masturbation... which also blows my mind... Oh, and you could also say, "Well, if you decided to no longer have sexual attraction towards women or anything, then you wouldn't masturbate, and you'd be asexual!" Simply wishing my sex drive to go away won't make it, though... it's an instinct that I couldn't ignore if I tried. I could abstain from acting on it, and I could tell myself that I don't want to have sex, but I'd be living a lie.

Tell me that you could successfully be gay, have anal sex with guys every night, make yourself like it a LOT, and transform into a homosexual, and then I'll see where you're coming from with this whole decision angle.

The fact of the matter is, if you have sex with another man, you are gay. There aren't many people out there who would think you were straight knowing you did that. Granted, there's a difference between those who experiment and those who fully embrace the lifestyle, but that's a difference of resolve. I couldn't become a homosexual because it clashes with my morals, my beliefs, and because I find it disgusting BUT, my morals, beliefs and feelings of disgust were not genetically encoded into me. If my life had been different in several ways I could have just as likely grown to the age of 21 and have been gay. Genetics have nothing to do with how much you like something. If this were a matter of genetics, it would not be 'gay or straight', it would be 'sex or no sex'. Having a raw sex drive is genetic, something living beings need to reproduce. Having a specific sex drive is not genetic. That comes from experience and choices.

Originally Posted by A Black Falcon:
blah blah blah no proof blah blah blah