2nd May 2006, 9:45 AM
I just do not understand. It's not like you cant become a united states citizen through the proper channels and paperwork. you end up paying around 300 bucks in total after its all said and done and there's even translators available if you dont speak english. My thing is if you're going to live in another country number 1, do it the right way and number 2, do not expect that country to cater to your needs.
"I was told that in America the streets are paved with gold... but when I arrived i saw that there were no streets and I was the one who was going to pave them." ~irish immigrant, 1913
if you cant speak english you're extremely limited, it would be on the same level as saying you cant read or write (unless you live in a heavy spanish/mexican area or are dealing with nationwide firms who cater to spanish), but as far as getting a real job or a career it's not going to happen (legally anyways). They're putting themselves in horrible situations for no reason and degrading the quality of life in the united states for everyone on multiple levels, like it or not.
This country was built on immigrants, we're ALL immigrants (unless you're native american :D) so i have no 'problem' or 'issue' at all with anyone who wants to live in this country as long as you're not a fucking muslim, just do it properly and legally. I dont understand why that's so hard. It's a pain in the ass, sure. but my wife is an american citizen now, it took about 2 years (and she was allowed to live and work here with a SNN for that duration). So why cant the mexicans, puerto ricans, etc follow the same path? I think it's because they WANT to live 'free' without having a SSN, or taxes, or any records of their birth. Hell, you could end up making your own birth certificate, get an ID with a fake name, do whatever you want... get too many DUI's under your fake driver's liscense - make a new birth certificate; absoltely no respect for the laws or inner workings of the country, (ovbiously anyone can do that, but an illegal immigrant is forced in to that situation) they can do anything... except learn english and pay taxes and try to make your new country a better place to live (as cliche as that sounds), instead of finding a slum with other mexicans who also cant read, write or speak english and being a leaf blower for the rest of your life.
if that's the case and i believe it to be, then i wholly agree with litteraly booting these people (any illegals) out of the country and tell them to become a citizen properly. Even if you have to wait 10 years for a green card, you can get a temp work Visa almost immeadiately and renew it as many times as you want for a small fee. But that's not the issue, the issue is that anyone who enters a country illegally is looking for a free ride, and that's why it's illegal.
it's horrible to see people that have been here for 20 years and are now getting kicked out, but i've seen some of these people and after 20 years they still dont speak english, they do day labor as a career and because of that, live in congregations of high crime areas and slums and grow like a cancer. To be fair though, there illegal immigrants who made a very good life for themselves and their family, but they're still living off my taxes and not contributing to the city, state, country etc. It's not the government's fault that you're being asked to leave or properly acquire citizenship - they knew it was wrong since the day they hopped the border, but it's not like we're destroying anyone's lives - Just follow the proper fucking legal channels people!
And yunno, english and spanish are very similar so if you know one of those languages its going to be easy to learn the other, but the fact remains that we are officially an english speaking country and anyone who enters her borders needs to respect that, srsly. I wouldn't live in france without trying to learn the language (i'd rather die though) or germany, netherlands, mexico, alabama, etc so if you dont know english, fucking LEARN IT, you dont even have to spell anything correctly hell you can make good in an advertizing firm misspelling things. And maybe, just *maybe* if mexicans, puerto ricans, etc weren't such a burden, maybe we wouldn't be trying to force them out now. i dont see any huge government petitions to force out illegal chinese, yunno?
"I was told that in America the streets are paved with gold... but when I arrived i saw that there were no streets and I was the one who was going to pave them." ~irish immigrant, 1913
if you cant speak english you're extremely limited, it would be on the same level as saying you cant read or write (unless you live in a heavy spanish/mexican area or are dealing with nationwide firms who cater to spanish), but as far as getting a real job or a career it's not going to happen (legally anyways). They're putting themselves in horrible situations for no reason and degrading the quality of life in the united states for everyone on multiple levels, like it or not.
This country was built on immigrants, we're ALL immigrants (unless you're native american :D) so i have no 'problem' or 'issue' at all with anyone who wants to live in this country as long as you're not a fucking muslim, just do it properly and legally. I dont understand why that's so hard. It's a pain in the ass, sure. but my wife is an american citizen now, it took about 2 years (and she was allowed to live and work here with a SNN for that duration). So why cant the mexicans, puerto ricans, etc follow the same path? I think it's because they WANT to live 'free' without having a SSN, or taxes, or any records of their birth. Hell, you could end up making your own birth certificate, get an ID with a fake name, do whatever you want... get too many DUI's under your fake driver's liscense - make a new birth certificate; absoltely no respect for the laws or inner workings of the country, (ovbiously anyone can do that, but an illegal immigrant is forced in to that situation) they can do anything... except learn english and pay taxes and try to make your new country a better place to live (as cliche as that sounds), instead of finding a slum with other mexicans who also cant read, write or speak english and being a leaf blower for the rest of your life.
if that's the case and i believe it to be, then i wholly agree with litteraly booting these people (any illegals) out of the country and tell them to become a citizen properly. Even if you have to wait 10 years for a green card, you can get a temp work Visa almost immeadiately and renew it as many times as you want for a small fee. But that's not the issue, the issue is that anyone who enters a country illegally is looking for a free ride, and that's why it's illegal.
it's horrible to see people that have been here for 20 years and are now getting kicked out, but i've seen some of these people and after 20 years they still dont speak english, they do day labor as a career and because of that, live in congregations of high crime areas and slums and grow like a cancer. To be fair though, there illegal immigrants who made a very good life for themselves and their family, but they're still living off my taxes and not contributing to the city, state, country etc. It's not the government's fault that you're being asked to leave or properly acquire citizenship - they knew it was wrong since the day they hopped the border, but it's not like we're destroying anyone's lives - Just follow the proper fucking legal channels people!
And yunno, english and spanish are very similar so if you know one of those languages its going to be easy to learn the other, but the fact remains that we are officially an english speaking country and anyone who enters her borders needs to respect that, srsly. I wouldn't live in france without trying to learn the language (i'd rather die though) or germany, netherlands, mexico, alabama, etc so if you dont know english, fucking LEARN IT, you dont even have to spell anything correctly hell you can make good in an advertizing firm misspelling things. And maybe, just *maybe* if mexicans, puerto ricans, etc weren't such a burden, maybe we wouldn't be trying to force them out now. i dont see any huge government petitions to force out illegal chinese, yunno?