Damn Liberals... (formerly Best Games of All Time moved)

[A Black Falcon]

and one thing I can NOT STAND is how people can win a $50 million scratch ticket, but the government gets half of it...how the fuck does that work anyway??

The more you make, the more you get taxed on it...

Who said anything about taxing the poor more? They're hardly taxed at all as it is, and most of their income is tax money to begin with.

If they were to make a flat rate then the poor would have to pay even more taxes than they are paying now.

Yeah... I don't have numbers right here but I know for sure that that is the case. Flat taxes mean higher taxes for a lot of the lower and some middle brackets. And mean much, much lower ones for the top ones. No wonder millionare Steve Forbes was for the flat tax...

I know who has it worst and who has it best. But what you're saying is that there should be no incentive to try and improve your status. You're saying that it should be attractive to be poor by, instead of helping them out of poverty, contributing to it by giving them uncontrolled money.

I'm saying that not all poor people are poor because of the reasons that you suggested. And you're suggesting that the rich should get taxed less and the poor get taxed more.

Again... yeah, Weltall... it sounds good "make them learn! Get them into higher tax brackets!" But why can't you understand that for a lot of these people that is effectively impossible? They just CANNOT get an education... or in many cases a better job. A dead-end one? No problem, but as I said already that'd just lead to working 3 jobs and never being there to care for their children... which would harm their development a lot...

Its just not true that poor people are poor because they are lazy. For a few, yeah... but not for a lot of them. For most they don't have the skills, ability, or chances to go anywhere... and the best way to help people like that is give them welfare and hope they spend it well...

And while it may encourage some people to not get jobs, those people are generally the ones who could never get a job that'd make enough to make up for the lack of welfare anyway and could never afford the education to get better training...