Damn Liberals... (formerly Best Games of All Time moved)

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Originally posted by OB1
I could have posted for you since I knew exactly what you were going to say. So poor people are all just a bunch of lazy, stupid people that should be punished for not being rich. That's terrific logic. If you honestly think that it's a simple matter of choosing the right job or education then you are extremely naive. There are many different factors that can make a person poor. I'm not in the lower class, but I know many people that were forces into the lower class because of poor ecomic conditions or the lack of demand for a certain profession. There's this one janitor that cleans at my work and I frequenty have conversations with him whenever he's around. He has a masters in civil engineering but soon after he got out of college the demand for civil engineers dimished so greatly that he was forced to get a job as a janitor in order to survive and feed his kid. There are million of people out there in similar situations, so don't give me that bullshit about people being too stupid or lazy to get rich.

I'm sure that there are plenty of poor people out there that are lazy or whatever, but that's not the case with everyone and they should not be punished for it. Despite what you may think, the lower class has it the worse and the upper class has it the best. I'm a middle class citizen and I'm stuck in the middle by having to pay a lot of taxes like the upper class but not getting the same benefits of the lower class (I'm too rich to get free healthcare but too poor to buy it), and I agree that that has to change. But taxing the absolute lower class even more is not going to fix that problem.

Who said anything about taxing the poor more? They're hardly taxed at all as it is, and most of their income is tax money to begin with.

I know who has it worst and who has it best. But what you're saying is that there should be no incentive to try and improve your status. You're saying that it should be attractive to be poor by, instead of helping them out of poverty, contributing to it by giving them uncontrolled money.

You just can't expect everyone to be able to handle college... or have the ambition (or the possibilites, which is the more common block. Its not like all people can afford it even with loans...) to do that...

If you don't have the ambition to better yourself, you deserve to live in squalor. Why on earth should we ENCOURAGE people to stay poor? Where is the logic here? "You're incompetent and will not take advantage of education, so here's $500 more every month, just because we care." That does so much for them, like allow them to spend money I work hard for on booze or a nicer TV than I have.

And a flat tax sounds fair but its not. Its not fair to the middle and lower classes... and is very generous to the rich. It sounds good - "same amount"... but it doesn't work out that way. In the end, the poor and a significant part of the middle class would end up with higher taxes while the rich would be much better off... and this country should not be in the business of making the least needy people -- the rich -- allowed to get more and more money while the rest of the people struggle.

Explain this, please. I want mathematical figures showing how a flat tax would mean more taxes for the poor. That sounds ridiculous and is utter bullshit. If everyone pays 20% Of their income as taxes, how does that result in the poor paying a higher percentage?

Seriously, you do come up with some odd figures sometimes.