31st March 2006, 5:25 AM
DJ you totally have no idea what i'm talking about, just ignore what i said. You're right, you dont need a relationship, love, or any of that krap, no children, no career, all of that is bogus and when you turn 40 or 50 and find yourself snorting the cocain off the hooker's body, look me up on MSN. also, dont put words in my mouth err... text field, not once did i call anyone here "immature" for not drinking, what I did say is that you obviiously have alot of issues/fears around the idea of drinking and your 'why do people do that?" stance speaks volumes of your lack of life experience. but in no way does drinking make you more mature nor does it better yourself, but the exact opposite is just as bad. I'll try to explain below. oh and that guy just wanted to be funny and give a show, that's all he wanted. put people on a stage and expect them to ham it up.
Eden/ i completely agree 100%, but you have to realize that i wasn't making the claim that alcohol gets rid of stress or fears, it only offers a catalyst for the person to do so, that being lowered inabitions. We are a product of fears and light psychosis, we call it a 'personality' and in that 'personality' there are sometimes dozens, sometimes thousands of hurdles to get over in things that may be easy for you, but not so easy for the next guy. I know people who have never told their parents "I love you" or spent their entire lives trying to get high on anything, even getting the children taken away from them and all th way to the lightest side where you have people that like to bite their lovers even when asked not to, but cant help it (Anchorman makes a funny reference to that behavior, where he also tells the kids "no eye contact") or people who have to be the center of the conversation or they freak out (I think everyone has this to some degree :D). And it all comes from people with light psychosis raising children and perpetuating it on and on, creating more of the ideal of individualism and the all consuming identity. By raising people with dozens of light psychosis and callint it personality who in turn instill it in to their children.
What it boils down to essentially is tht each person is a unique collection of bullshit, some positive, mostly negative and almost always is central around emotional stability or comprehension of other people's emotions. this is the entire reason why anyone drinks, it creates an atmosphere where people unveil that shroud of bullshit and become, more or less, educated, truth-mongoring children. of course there is the dark side, a young girl brought up in a loving home who was handed everything and was given a life most people dream of finds herself wanting to be used and abused by men in order to feel 'alive' because what the parents didn't realize is that the child never saw them fight, argue, have an issue, share a negative emotion, and everything was always peachy, raise a child in that environment and you get a monster. you would think the opposite would apply but it doesn't, we have to be exposed to the positive and negative otherwise the forming person has no idea and will be stuck in that infantile desire for discovering boundries their entire life. "You only know what you know." :D
so you're getting drunk, there you are, what do you do with it? People dont have thoughts like 'I have such and such issues" people deny and ignore their issues, pretend they're not there and hope they go away when they do notice them. but when they're gone, a new standard is set, you now have the opportunity to think outside yourself and no amount of retro/introspective channeling will help you achieve that like alcohol can, giving you the advantage to tackle important issues. of course, i'm speaking in vague realities mostly hammering themselves out in the subcon, but you get the idea.
In no way shape or form is throwing up through your eyeballs fun, but it's a great boundry to discover and just to have the memory of it would be awesome, sorta like finding out you can jump off a roof and not die :D but keep in mind that when you drink alcohol, you have to drink ALOT in order to reach a point where you throw up. I'm a huge guy, and i drank 20 beers and a few hand grenades at mardigras and didn't lose any of it :D if people are throwing up, they have mild alcohol poisoning, that means there is too much alcohol in their body and it needs to expel it - that's ALOT of alcohol consumption. You dont need to drink to that level in fact, it's pointless. i bet you could down a six pack and feel the warm buzzy feeling and little else but I could be wrong, but you definitelly wont throw up... especially through your eyeball.
What i did when i realized that i dont want to be afraid of alcohol anymore is try one while at a nice restaurant then later in the week I bought my own 6 pack and drank them, thought it tasted like krap, so the following week I tried a different brand. Eventually i found guiness and killians and Harp and i was happy with their 'odd' tastes. Finally after 6 beers of something that tasted okay I felt the warm buzzy feeling and stopped there. i asked my wife the next day, "did I act different? did i change my personality?" and her response was 'Other than get slightly more annoying and turn everything on television in to an episode of MST3K, no" So I decided to keep going the following week with more than 6 and even different alcohols and i found drunkedness, the sensation was so strange I would rush to the pooter to brain storm everything that was happening in my head and reading up on studies that were conducted by psychologists on mapping the human brain and how it interacts with alcohol and then I would map out specific people and get drunk with them to notice the change, and the change was incredible because suddenly a person who constantly argues about how much he hates gays and faggots, etc, cant stop praising how clean and well kept they are (funniest shit ever) or a woman who claims to be gay is suddenly hitting on every guy in the place begging for attention, etc etc and like other hermits/witch doctors/shrinks before me I made the discovery that 'lowered inabitions' litteraly translated to a "truer self", one that does not get tangled up in their own bullshit.
Now once you get the experience of that and actually being drunk and seeing who you "really" are, you can make contact with it without the use of alcohol, though it becomes more frightening without the aid of the chemical depressant because let's face it, no one likes who they are, no matter how much they massage their egos (Dark Jaguar) but of course that's a different discussion altogether.
you say that fears are there for a reason. Quick example: deer is in the forest, foraging, finds a bush with berries, eats the berries, gets sick, survives, and now the magic happens: when that deer even THINKS abbout those berries, it gets sick again. it FEARS those berries, it wont even walk near the bush! Ever have food poisoning? I had really bad pizza once, threw up for like a week, it was suck, and I couldn't be in the same room with pizza for like two years before i could enjoy it again. brain creates a fear for a purpose: not to die. you're 5 years old, you walk in the kitchen, you smell mac and cheese, you go to look in the pot, you grab the handel and whoosh hot fuck ouch crash call for mom, get yelled at, etc. you now have a fear of hot things, this ultimately comes down to survivability but for our cases it's more of a comfort zone or in extreme cases the loss of skin, body parts, etc. fear for a reason: not to get hurt.
Now the horrible stuff, the stuff that makes serial killers or artists, apply the above to emotional scopes. That same fear of getting hurt can be applied generally to relationships if you have the right experiences, you can litteraly become a person who cannot have a relationship, because of inward fear of being hurt. That is fear without purpose, tht is called misplaced fear and it's only there because of circumstance and not absolutes like poison berries or hot handels, you based that subcon fear on extremely specific events and you're ENTIRE personality is going to suffer for it, th rest of your life will now have to weave around this subcon fear in order for you to even think about being happy and thus you have amazing poetry, brilliant story tellers or serial murderers as they slowly lose that balance of what is a needed fear and what is a misplaced fear. A fear of being ugly, a fear of other people, fear of walking outside, fear of clowns, fear of commitment, fear of intimacy, fear of not being loved, fear of mom or dad loving a sibling more than you, fear of pets (yes I actually know someone with this) and as we try to work around them we can generate some pretty amazing stuff in our perspectives and from them create horror or beauty, some of us want to make the game Silent Hill and some of us want to actually kill people with a lead pipe and they are both formed out of percieved and misplaced fears of everything you are ever exposed to (or in some cases, not exposed to)
i'm getting waaaay in to some of the simple functions of the brain and their infinite scope on our daily lives but basically my point is that alcohol is whatever you want it to be and it can even be a tool, which is why, indirectly, it is popular in the first place because it is used to remove the red alert status and take those shields down. It does not ruin you, it does not make you a bad person, forget everything from TV and movies where the mean old step dad drinks and beats his kids because even if you had a dad like that, you have good memories of him too
Unless he was like a rapist or hitler or whatever. Darunia can tell us all about that.
Eden/ i completely agree 100%, but you have to realize that i wasn't making the claim that alcohol gets rid of stress or fears, it only offers a catalyst for the person to do so, that being lowered inabitions. We are a product of fears and light psychosis, we call it a 'personality' and in that 'personality' there are sometimes dozens, sometimes thousands of hurdles to get over in things that may be easy for you, but not so easy for the next guy. I know people who have never told their parents "I love you" or spent their entire lives trying to get high on anything, even getting the children taken away from them and all th way to the lightest side where you have people that like to bite their lovers even when asked not to, but cant help it (Anchorman makes a funny reference to that behavior, where he also tells the kids "no eye contact") or people who have to be the center of the conversation or they freak out (I think everyone has this to some degree :D). And it all comes from people with light psychosis raising children and perpetuating it on and on, creating more of the ideal of individualism and the all consuming identity. By raising people with dozens of light psychosis and callint it personality who in turn instill it in to their children.
What it boils down to essentially is tht each person is a unique collection of bullshit, some positive, mostly negative and almost always is central around emotional stability or comprehension of other people's emotions. this is the entire reason why anyone drinks, it creates an atmosphere where people unveil that shroud of bullshit and become, more or less, educated, truth-mongoring children. of course there is the dark side, a young girl brought up in a loving home who was handed everything and was given a life most people dream of finds herself wanting to be used and abused by men in order to feel 'alive' because what the parents didn't realize is that the child never saw them fight, argue, have an issue, share a negative emotion, and everything was always peachy, raise a child in that environment and you get a monster. you would think the opposite would apply but it doesn't, we have to be exposed to the positive and negative otherwise the forming person has no idea and will be stuck in that infantile desire for discovering boundries their entire life. "You only know what you know." :D
so you're getting drunk, there you are, what do you do with it? People dont have thoughts like 'I have such and such issues" people deny and ignore their issues, pretend they're not there and hope they go away when they do notice them. but when they're gone, a new standard is set, you now have the opportunity to think outside yourself and no amount of retro/introspective channeling will help you achieve that like alcohol can, giving you the advantage to tackle important issues. of course, i'm speaking in vague realities mostly hammering themselves out in the subcon, but you get the idea.
In no way shape or form is throwing up through your eyeballs fun, but it's a great boundry to discover and just to have the memory of it would be awesome, sorta like finding out you can jump off a roof and not die :D but keep in mind that when you drink alcohol, you have to drink ALOT in order to reach a point where you throw up. I'm a huge guy, and i drank 20 beers and a few hand grenades at mardigras and didn't lose any of it :D if people are throwing up, they have mild alcohol poisoning, that means there is too much alcohol in their body and it needs to expel it - that's ALOT of alcohol consumption. You dont need to drink to that level in fact, it's pointless. i bet you could down a six pack and feel the warm buzzy feeling and little else but I could be wrong, but you definitelly wont throw up... especially through your eyeball.
What i did when i realized that i dont want to be afraid of alcohol anymore is try one while at a nice restaurant then later in the week I bought my own 6 pack and drank them, thought it tasted like krap, so the following week I tried a different brand. Eventually i found guiness and killians and Harp and i was happy with their 'odd' tastes. Finally after 6 beers of something that tasted okay I felt the warm buzzy feeling and stopped there. i asked my wife the next day, "did I act different? did i change my personality?" and her response was 'Other than get slightly more annoying and turn everything on television in to an episode of MST3K, no" So I decided to keep going the following week with more than 6 and even different alcohols and i found drunkedness, the sensation was so strange I would rush to the pooter to brain storm everything that was happening in my head and reading up on studies that were conducted by psychologists on mapping the human brain and how it interacts with alcohol and then I would map out specific people and get drunk with them to notice the change, and the change was incredible because suddenly a person who constantly argues about how much he hates gays and faggots, etc, cant stop praising how clean and well kept they are (funniest shit ever) or a woman who claims to be gay is suddenly hitting on every guy in the place begging for attention, etc etc and like other hermits/witch doctors/shrinks before me I made the discovery that 'lowered inabitions' litteraly translated to a "truer self", one that does not get tangled up in their own bullshit.
Now once you get the experience of that and actually being drunk and seeing who you "really" are, you can make contact with it without the use of alcohol, though it becomes more frightening without the aid of the chemical depressant because let's face it, no one likes who they are, no matter how much they massage their egos (Dark Jaguar) but of course that's a different discussion altogether.
you say that fears are there for a reason. Quick example: deer is in the forest, foraging, finds a bush with berries, eats the berries, gets sick, survives, and now the magic happens: when that deer even THINKS abbout those berries, it gets sick again. it FEARS those berries, it wont even walk near the bush! Ever have food poisoning? I had really bad pizza once, threw up for like a week, it was suck, and I couldn't be in the same room with pizza for like two years before i could enjoy it again. brain creates a fear for a purpose: not to die. you're 5 years old, you walk in the kitchen, you smell mac and cheese, you go to look in the pot, you grab the handel and whoosh hot fuck ouch crash call for mom, get yelled at, etc. you now have a fear of hot things, this ultimately comes down to survivability but for our cases it's more of a comfort zone or in extreme cases the loss of skin, body parts, etc. fear for a reason: not to get hurt.
Now the horrible stuff, the stuff that makes serial killers or artists, apply the above to emotional scopes. That same fear of getting hurt can be applied generally to relationships if you have the right experiences, you can litteraly become a person who cannot have a relationship, because of inward fear of being hurt. That is fear without purpose, tht is called misplaced fear and it's only there because of circumstance and not absolutes like poison berries or hot handels, you based that subcon fear on extremely specific events and you're ENTIRE personality is going to suffer for it, th rest of your life will now have to weave around this subcon fear in order for you to even think about being happy and thus you have amazing poetry, brilliant story tellers or serial murderers as they slowly lose that balance of what is a needed fear and what is a misplaced fear. A fear of being ugly, a fear of other people, fear of walking outside, fear of clowns, fear of commitment, fear of intimacy, fear of not being loved, fear of mom or dad loving a sibling more than you, fear of pets (yes I actually know someone with this) and as we try to work around them we can generate some pretty amazing stuff in our perspectives and from them create horror or beauty, some of us want to make the game Silent Hill and some of us want to actually kill people with a lead pipe and they are both formed out of percieved and misplaced fears of everything you are ever exposed to (or in some cases, not exposed to)
i'm getting waaaay in to some of the simple functions of the brain and their infinite scope on our daily lives but basically my point is that alcohol is whatever you want it to be and it can even be a tool, which is why, indirectly, it is popular in the first place because it is used to remove the red alert status and take those shields down. It does not ruin you, it does not make you a bad person, forget everything from TV and movies where the mean old step dad drinks and beats his kids because even if you had a dad like that, you have good memories of him too
Unless he was like a rapist or hitler or whatever. Darunia can tell us all about that.