30th March 2006, 4:43 PM
lmao so you have to be depressed (sad) in order to have fun? when I took my wife out to dinner for our anniversary we had wine, that obviously means we're depressed and we need alcohol in order to enjoy life according Dark Jaguar and grumbler. You guys are such mama's boys it's kinda scary :D
1.) you dont drink alcohol to 'have fun', doing so would mean you're an alcoholic. alcohol tends to stregthen your emotions, so a person who is actually clinically depressed (not sad) will have adverse effects and will feel worse. rinking alcohol is done in celebration, celebration is a byproduct of stress, as in you went through alot of stress to reach this point, alcohol does aid in shedding the stress off because it actually causes you to deal with it. Not ignore it by "talking to other people, playing video games" or other excuses.
2.) alcohol is a phisiological depressent that helps aid in numbing the central nervous system relaxing the person and causing a hybrid formation of sub-con/con unity which takes the form of 'lowered inabitions' (ie: fears, anxiety, worries, seem to melt away). An example would be a person who is afraid of being in a relationship will be able to think beyond his fears and actually try it out. a woman afraid off sexual relationships will push herself to get over fears. People normally lethargic feel awake as most of the 'tired feeling' is a result of stresses brought on through the day (a stress is classified as anything that you need to accomplish but cant or is very difficult, this is mostly on an emotional scale ie: wanting to talk to your mom and dad about something important but afraid to, so you ignore it and try to fill your day with things that have nothing to do with what is bothering you, thus building up until a type of critical mass is reached and the brain will react adversely to normally accepted stimulus, ie: suddenly a person's voice drives you mad, or you yell at someone who didn't do anything just to get your anger out) Alcohol will curtail all of these events and force them out of your sub-con, while drinking you will suddenly find yourself thinking 'hey i'm gonna call my wife and telll her i'm pissed off tht she sold my harley!" the fear abandoned, the person can now call their wife without issue and express themselves without any fear or doubt (at 2 in the morning with a slurred speech :D)
of course these are just examples but if you guys had any life experience you could easily pick it up. In the cases of DJ and Grumbler i'm almost certain neither of you have had a serious relationship with a woman or have serious careers or long-term commitments, you are not in positions where suddenly a house payment is due and you dont have parents or family to help or enough money of your own. You dont comprehend these situations because you are sheltered and safe, as I said the worst you have gone through is for some people laughable, but that's what life is, gaining exerience. 20 years ago your worst stress and fears were prrobably more about if mom and dad will punish you, or if you wont get the video game you want because of your grades, or geting beat up at school etc, things you look back on and laugh at now. The same thing will happen 20 years from now. I see people saying 'alcohol is so bad!' or 'drugs are so bad!" and in all actuality there's nothing bad about them, just people who abuse them. You can abuse fatty foods, abuse exposure to sunlight, it's all relative, but in itself alcohol or drugs have no inherent dark or twisted meaning. you're simply afraid of 'losing control' because of what you may find out about yourself, this is common for people who are adults but lack life experience and goes away with time, thankfully you can always fall back on the 'You only know what you know' attitude (which i do alot) so that basically if you dont know the scope of the situation, it doesnt effect you. this is one of my favorite ways of dealing with alot of stress and helps narrow the mind to make it stronger for the situation and is often taught in military training.
right now you guys are in the same mind frame i was several years ago, that not drinking alcohol makes you a better person for it, etc. but it's simply not true and it's the same attitude people have of 'you are what you own' and shows weakness in ego or personality by using a crutch to percieve yourself as a better person. the same thing happens in people's minds when they see someone who is in their opinion ugly, fat, short, etc and feel the need to consciously acknowledge it in order to feel somewhat superior. It's a metaphysical security blanket. like when coconut had to put down the girls at the bar, it probably shows his lack of confidence in dealing with women or his fear of women which most men have, so it's nothing unusual, then you enter the whole realm of percievable perfection ie: you masturbate to the beautiful girl becase you want to be percieved as beautiful, etc.
This is all going over your heads right now but it seriously does just happen with time, it's unavoidable... unfortunately. :D
1.) you dont drink alcohol to 'have fun', doing so would mean you're an alcoholic. alcohol tends to stregthen your emotions, so a person who is actually clinically depressed (not sad) will have adverse effects and will feel worse. rinking alcohol is done in celebration, celebration is a byproduct of stress, as in you went through alot of stress to reach this point, alcohol does aid in shedding the stress off because it actually causes you to deal with it. Not ignore it by "talking to other people, playing video games" or other excuses.
2.) alcohol is a phisiological depressent that helps aid in numbing the central nervous system relaxing the person and causing a hybrid formation of sub-con/con unity which takes the form of 'lowered inabitions' (ie: fears, anxiety, worries, seem to melt away). An example would be a person who is afraid of being in a relationship will be able to think beyond his fears and actually try it out. a woman afraid off sexual relationships will push herself to get over fears. People normally lethargic feel awake as most of the 'tired feeling' is a result of stresses brought on through the day (a stress is classified as anything that you need to accomplish but cant or is very difficult, this is mostly on an emotional scale ie: wanting to talk to your mom and dad about something important but afraid to, so you ignore it and try to fill your day with things that have nothing to do with what is bothering you, thus building up until a type of critical mass is reached and the brain will react adversely to normally accepted stimulus, ie: suddenly a person's voice drives you mad, or you yell at someone who didn't do anything just to get your anger out) Alcohol will curtail all of these events and force them out of your sub-con, while drinking you will suddenly find yourself thinking 'hey i'm gonna call my wife and telll her i'm pissed off tht she sold my harley!" the fear abandoned, the person can now call their wife without issue and express themselves without any fear or doubt (at 2 in the morning with a slurred speech :D)
of course these are just examples but if you guys had any life experience you could easily pick it up. In the cases of DJ and Grumbler i'm almost certain neither of you have had a serious relationship with a woman or have serious careers or long-term commitments, you are not in positions where suddenly a house payment is due and you dont have parents or family to help or enough money of your own. You dont comprehend these situations because you are sheltered and safe, as I said the worst you have gone through is for some people laughable, but that's what life is, gaining exerience. 20 years ago your worst stress and fears were prrobably more about if mom and dad will punish you, or if you wont get the video game you want because of your grades, or geting beat up at school etc, things you look back on and laugh at now. The same thing will happen 20 years from now. I see people saying 'alcohol is so bad!' or 'drugs are so bad!" and in all actuality there's nothing bad about them, just people who abuse them. You can abuse fatty foods, abuse exposure to sunlight, it's all relative, but in itself alcohol or drugs have no inherent dark or twisted meaning. you're simply afraid of 'losing control' because of what you may find out about yourself, this is common for people who are adults but lack life experience and goes away with time, thankfully you can always fall back on the 'You only know what you know' attitude (which i do alot) so that basically if you dont know the scope of the situation, it doesnt effect you. this is one of my favorite ways of dealing with alot of stress and helps narrow the mind to make it stronger for the situation and is often taught in military training.
right now you guys are in the same mind frame i was several years ago, that not drinking alcohol makes you a better person for it, etc. but it's simply not true and it's the same attitude people have of 'you are what you own' and shows weakness in ego or personality by using a crutch to percieve yourself as a better person. the same thing happens in people's minds when they see someone who is in their opinion ugly, fat, short, etc and feel the need to consciously acknowledge it in order to feel somewhat superior. It's a metaphysical security blanket. like when coconut had to put down the girls at the bar, it probably shows his lack of confidence in dealing with women or his fear of women which most men have, so it's nothing unusual, then you enter the whole realm of percievable perfection ie: you masturbate to the beautiful girl becase you want to be percieved as beautiful, etc.
This is all going over your heads right now but it seriously does just happen with time, it's unavoidable... unfortunately. :D