Xbox 360 Launch: Success or Mess?

[Paco]

lmao

Do you... actually read what you type? I'm just curious.

I do.

1.) Going by the same numbers, you could say that the PSP has an installed user base of about 10 million. Which they dont. They shipped about 10 million units worlwide so far (which means the stores purchased those units) but the actual consumers have purchased about half that number.

Did you read what I quoted, or venture into the link? The source says that Xbox has more market share, and the numbers support that. Deal with it.

2.) 360 doesn't have anywhere near the Japanese support that Playstation has.

The original playstation didn't start out with the japanese support it has now. Besides, it doesn't matter. All that Japanese support still didn't have a killer app at either launch in any territory.

3.) It's funny how you assume things and yet deny other assumptions from other people. Revolution is going to launch with killer apps even if its killer app is Zelda: PT. The PS3 looks as though it's going to launch with a Final Fantasy game. Now depending on which system launches near Christmas, there will be the same rush to grab it as there was with 360 because it's a hot holiday item and as with any console, it's longesvity on the 'it' factor has everything to do with the game's available for the system.

Have you ever been through a console launch? Bought a console at launch and then went through that 6-8 months after launch when few and far games come out? Anything other than an Nintendo console? (Serious question)

4.) Aren't any other players? Didn't you read the sales data that you posted? Weren't you the one talking about installed user bases, etc? Anyway, all systems need a killer app. The N64 and GC survived on killer apps alone with almost no third party support while the PS2 rocketed to first place because of sheer number of games from every third party in the market. if the 360 had better Japanese support I could see why it wouldn't need a killer app but just as they did with XBox 1 they rode the wave of sales Halo and Halo 2 which, as a system with lackluster Japanese support, made the smart decision in finding a killer app for the American market.

PS3 installed user base = 0
Revolution installed user base = 0
Get it?

Wow, now I know you're not reading my posts very carefully. I didn't say killer apps weren't necessary. I said precisely the opposite, however I don't think they are absolutely necessary right in the beginning.

Okay, you're going to have to fill me in as to what Japanese made games made the Playstation and Playstation 2 float along without their killer apps. I don't recall any standout games whatsoever, but it seems you're putting alot of stock in them. Care to share what you're thinking?

5.) Obviously you didn't watch any younglings in the mall getting ID'd trying to buy T and M games. My wife got ID'd buying RE4 lmao. The stores are starting to crackdown and from a business perspective and for the sake of argument we will call a game that is made for the younger crowds an E rated game.

That doesn't stop the kids from wanting them, or mom and dad buying it.

6.) If they released a Banjo game on 360 it would be a massacre. Look at what happened to Grabbed by the Ghoulies (developed by the Banjo team). I think it would sell if it were rated T but by doing that, they are removing children from the demographic. A T rated game is not for all ages senor paco. ...now please explain why a hard drive and the system's color have anything to do with demopgraphic...?

You obviously didn't follow any of what Microsoft said over the past year, and it seems you don't want to take my word for it. I'll just tell you that you're assumption that Microsoft is only targeting the mature crowd is dead wrong.

Jesus Christ, you can't be that absorbed in Nintendo that you didn't notice anything of any other console...

The HDD in the original Xbox appealed to a tech-crowd. The fact that it was the most powerful and the usual black color of electronics all appealed to a certain crowd, as did the games- 18-35+

The HDD appeals to those who intend on going all out with their Xbox, the supposed hardcore who want to save music, games, and venture onto Xbox Live for all its worth. Then there is the other offer of a bare console for those who don't care, and don't want to spend the money on something they won't use, and just want the games. It's a two pronged approach. Keeping up? Good. The color; When they were doing research and surveys on the color and name, the off-white color appealed to the most people, and most prefered the 360 name as opposed to other choices (which I can't remember). Did you even notice that the new logo is a different font? No hard edges.

If there's anything you will take I hope you will take my word that Microsoft is really trying to appeal to more than the 18-35 crowd. Need more support? Do you remember that comment about reaching one billion gamers? Growing the market? Yes? No?

7.) .....okay, you dont seriously think that a wartime FPS that is striving for realism is a 'shooter' in the same vein as PDZ? Do you honestly think that? That's like comparing Starfox to a WW2 flight sim. Onei s abviously going for arcade style shootemups while the other is going for dramatic realism.

It's a FPS, and hardly a simulator.

8.) It is the lowest selling first party game escpecially when you consider that COD 2 sold 250,730 units. Your ratio ideal doesn't really pan out when you consider a console that has an installed user base in the millions. Of course, i'm only assuming that your ratios are correct which seem odd to me considering that everyone I know with an XBox has Halo and everyone I know with a PS2 have a GTA game. But ultimately it doesn't matter, a game selling well over 200 thousand and a game that didn't even break 100 thousand; There is clearly something to be said about the popularity of the game.

Xbox installed user base = 22 million
Halo and Halo 2 sales = about 13 million last I heard. Assuming everyone who bought the original Halo came back for the sequal that breaks down to about 6.5 million for each game. I'll trust you can finish the math.

PS2 installed user base = 100 million
Grand Theft Auto = Last I read, each game has achieved about 15 million.
Gran Turismo = same thing, A-Spec did about 14-15 million.

Some games don't ever achieve 73,000 units. Kameo did that in eight days, and to a very small user base. Give it some time before you call it a failure in any respect.

9.) lmao... I called you a dwarf, i had no idea anyone would actually take offense to that. It was a light hearted comment. ...are you a dwarf? or "little person"? If you are obviously I would have no idea of such a thing. But if I offended you I apologize, it wasn't my goal.

I'm 6'0, not a dwarf.

11.) Well that's definitely something i'll have to take in to consideration however I think you're taking things a bit out of context. Yes I can admit to being a Nintendo fanboy however I dont think you'll admit to being an Xbot. I haven't seen you say anything positive about Nintendo but you praise Microsoft up to heaven as if they can do no wrong. You start a thread asking for people's opinions and then when you get them you throw a tantrum. One very large factor is the lack of Japanese support or killer app which you seem to think (looking at your first post) is something to factor in but when I mention it as an important factor to resolve you tell a different story, that it doesn't matter to the longevity of a console which I hope you have a better idea of now. You have a very odd double standard at play and you seem to completely miss the boat on the simple fact that this is a Nintendo message board and people are going to be more judgemental when it comes to 'other' consoles just as you are more judgemental towards Nintendo and more leanient with MS.

I'm not an Xbot. If I were I probably wouldn't have my Xbox back in the box, waiting on a price drop for the 360, playing Ratchet & Clank on my PS2, and had invited my friend over to play F-Zero GX and Mario Kart Double Dash, and begging him to let me borrow Metroid Prime 2. Or that I'm checking video game sites every week hoping to see something about a DS redesign because I really want one, but I don't think they're very comfortable as they are. You still have an entirely wrong idea about me. I can't figure out where you get the idea that I'm pro or anti [insert console here]. I want to see them all do well, but I'm going to criticize their moves just the same.

Lol, did you happen to see the first post of this very thread? It was largely a huge criticism of everything they've done concerning the launch. What else is there to point out as a negative? Their huge cash assets? The growing number of third party support or first and second party exclusives? The improvement of Xbox Live? The support of Live Arcade? Microsoft has been on the upswing, so it's easy to see them on the up and up. Nintendo is not so easy. They've lost third party support, lost market share since the 64, they've been under criticism for not supporting HD...there's simply more to criticize.

Again, the killer app would help, but I still don't think it's necessary. It's certainly not a dire situation at this very moment, as you make it out to be.

The only negatives I've said about Nintendo are the same issues I bring up in light of your "Nintendo can do no wrong" posts. The dropping third party support is an issue, you can't deny that. The decline in market share since the 64 is an issue, you can't deny that. And don't construe my posts about the differences in power as negative/positive posts. I just compared the numbers, same as the Xbox vs. Gamecube sales. They are just numbers, you're the one who puts spin on them.

I guess what i'm saying is if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Dont ask for opinions or feedback if you dont actually want it. When those opinions hit, even if sorely negative, you have to realize it comes with the territory and hopefully (unless the person is just trying to be a dick) will offer a view point you hand't previously considered which, i'm assuming, was the point of this thread.

I just don't get YOUR opinion. It's largely unsupported and obviously ignorant at times. It comes off far more speculative, assumptious, and bias than anyone else on this board when it comes to non-Nintendo consoles and games...since OB1 left, that is. You've displayed several times now that you haven't kept up with the press releases and interviews from Microsoft yet you argue as if you do. It's also very obvious that you didn't even bother to keep up with Playstation, at least not enough to know the stats of their respective launches, so you can't possibly comprehend what I mean when I say killer apps aren't necessary right at first.