9th December 2005, 6:04 PM
DMiller/ We cannot prove that God exists, but we also cant prove that he doesn't. To look at the natural order of the universe with its laws and infinite scope and say that there is no force which drives it would be very closed minded. When you think of God, you probably see a man giving out rules and punishing those who dont follow like a cosmic karma, the stories in the bible are people who feel guilty for their wrong doings and are eaten alive by their own guilt while people who try to live by the rules live a guilt free life in happiness. But God's description is never talked about in the bible.
When the hebrews wrote the bible, there was a massive enemy to all hebrews and their nation: The Roman Empire. In roman religion, their god's have names and there are detailed descriptions of them, even statues depicting them. The hebrews wrote that God would never want a statue of him, and that you do not worship anyone or anything but God. The Roman's had a God for everything, Hebrews wrote that there is only one God. This was done mostly to be anti-Roman, to create a thinking that would piss the roman's off to no end which is the entire story of Jesus.
but what we do know, is that the paintings from michaelangelo are pure BS, the paintings of DaVinci are pure BS and those are the only real sources that we've attached the image of Jesus and God too, so God, as told by God, has no form, he has no body, he is infinite, he is the universe.
....and he created us from his image.... woops...
So God, the infinite formless entity that contains all knowledge has paper thin skin, gets diarhea and can be killed by drinking bleach. This makes no sense and is obviously a bad translation. When God says 'I created man in my image' he is reffering directly to our ability to percieve God. no other animal does this, no other animal cares about learning or recieving knowledge that has nothing to do with its existence. All animals learn about their existence, how to live, where the best sources of food are, how to best raise their children, hiow to survive any given situation which man does as well, but they dont care about why the trees are here or how the atmosphere works. God, as told by God, is an infinite source of knowledge and he created us in that image, a being that seeks infinite knowledge - a completely different type of thinking than any other living thing on Earth.
To say that religion is wrong can be proven and understood, to say that a particular sect or faith is questionable can be proven and understood, but to say that God, the guiding force of the universe (call it by a different name if it helps you) does not exist, then you must have a greater understanding of the universe than all of history's most profound thinkers combined. Obviously there is a guiding force, whether it is sentient or mechanical does not change the fact there is a higher power so infinite that we may never understand it, we can only respect it. You can attach any image you want to it but you would be wrong, you can attach any religion or way of percieving it and you would be wrong because to think or say such things would mean that you are infinite - which we will never, ever, ever have. Our brain's can only accept up to a 8th dimensional thinking (and you better have an IQ over 200 if you dont want to lose your marbles) and since the universe is infinite and is capable of all dimensions we will never reach that level of understanding other than knowing that it is there.
These design principals and proven workings (and theorized workings) can only exist with the possibility of some kind of force that drove them in to creation. (Call me a creationist and i'll kill you) in other words, something had to make it for a purpose. To exist is a purpose, why does the universe will to exist, why does it try to create, it acts like a living thing and on some level that we may never understand it probably is.
So as you can see, there is more to it than just does God exist or not, it's what that perception is. When the hebrews wrote the word of God, they did not have the education we are capable of now but they did have the ability to percieve the world around them and see that everything has a design to it as if made by a higher source, we name it evolution, we give it phrases like laws of nature and physics and we can lay all the details out we've learned thus far but we cannot answer the question of why it is there., the only answer possible is that there is a much deeper meaning to everything and an inner working that goes way beyond our current level of knowledge and perception just as when we learned of microscopic cells, tiny bits of life that create larger life forms, the same principal is applied to what is beyond the larger life forms, that we are the cells of a much larger thing.
And that thing does not care if you cheat on your wife, it does not care if you hate your neighbor, nor does it grant you passage to a cloudly place where everyone has bird wings. Those are hebrew ideals written at a time of great despair and a stab at understanding those incredible workings of the world around them. It, God, simply exists and we are a part of its existence and we yearn to learn more about it - we have done so since the first man, woman or child looked at something and wondered why it's there.
Is it so far fetched to theorize that the universe is a type of living thing that has spent time and energy in to creating something that has the capacity to understand it? Sure, it could have been a forum of random acts that lead to all creation, but to have that creation be a beautiful flawless design that works on an infinite scale?? That would be odds like 1 in Pi of it actually happening, and then every step afterwards (based on current theory and understanding) would again be 1 in Pi and there are litteraly billions of steps that lead us to where we are now. It simply makes more sense logically that something guided the creation of all things with the idea of a goal.
When the hebrews wrote the bible, there was a massive enemy to all hebrews and their nation: The Roman Empire. In roman religion, their god's have names and there are detailed descriptions of them, even statues depicting them. The hebrews wrote that God would never want a statue of him, and that you do not worship anyone or anything but God. The Roman's had a God for everything, Hebrews wrote that there is only one God. This was done mostly to be anti-Roman, to create a thinking that would piss the roman's off to no end which is the entire story of Jesus.
but what we do know, is that the paintings from michaelangelo are pure BS, the paintings of DaVinci are pure BS and those are the only real sources that we've attached the image of Jesus and God too, so God, as told by God, has no form, he has no body, he is infinite, he is the universe.
....and he created us from his image.... woops...
So God, the infinite formless entity that contains all knowledge has paper thin skin, gets diarhea and can be killed by drinking bleach. This makes no sense and is obviously a bad translation. When God says 'I created man in my image' he is reffering directly to our ability to percieve God. no other animal does this, no other animal cares about learning or recieving knowledge that has nothing to do with its existence. All animals learn about their existence, how to live, where the best sources of food are, how to best raise their children, hiow to survive any given situation which man does as well, but they dont care about why the trees are here or how the atmosphere works. God, as told by God, is an infinite source of knowledge and he created us in that image, a being that seeks infinite knowledge - a completely different type of thinking than any other living thing on Earth.
To say that religion is wrong can be proven and understood, to say that a particular sect or faith is questionable can be proven and understood, but to say that God, the guiding force of the universe (call it by a different name if it helps you) does not exist, then you must have a greater understanding of the universe than all of history's most profound thinkers combined. Obviously there is a guiding force, whether it is sentient or mechanical does not change the fact there is a higher power so infinite that we may never understand it, we can only respect it. You can attach any image you want to it but you would be wrong, you can attach any religion or way of percieving it and you would be wrong because to think or say such things would mean that you are infinite - which we will never, ever, ever have. Our brain's can only accept up to a 8th dimensional thinking (and you better have an IQ over 200 if you dont want to lose your marbles) and since the universe is infinite and is capable of all dimensions we will never reach that level of understanding other than knowing that it is there.
These design principals and proven workings (and theorized workings) can only exist with the possibility of some kind of force that drove them in to creation. (Call me a creationist and i'll kill you) in other words, something had to make it for a purpose. To exist is a purpose, why does the universe will to exist, why does it try to create, it acts like a living thing and on some level that we may never understand it probably is.
So as you can see, there is more to it than just does God exist or not, it's what that perception is. When the hebrews wrote the word of God, they did not have the education we are capable of now but they did have the ability to percieve the world around them and see that everything has a design to it as if made by a higher source, we name it evolution, we give it phrases like laws of nature and physics and we can lay all the details out we've learned thus far but we cannot answer the question of why it is there., the only answer possible is that there is a much deeper meaning to everything and an inner working that goes way beyond our current level of knowledge and perception just as when we learned of microscopic cells, tiny bits of life that create larger life forms, the same principal is applied to what is beyond the larger life forms, that we are the cells of a much larger thing.
And that thing does not care if you cheat on your wife, it does not care if you hate your neighbor, nor does it grant you passage to a cloudly place where everyone has bird wings. Those are hebrew ideals written at a time of great despair and a stab at understanding those incredible workings of the world around them. It, God, simply exists and we are a part of its existence and we yearn to learn more about it - we have done so since the first man, woman or child looked at something and wondered why it's there.
Is it so far fetched to theorize that the universe is a type of living thing that has spent time and energy in to creating something that has the capacity to understand it? Sure, it could have been a forum of random acts that lead to all creation, but to have that creation be a beautiful flawless design that works on an infinite scale?? That would be odds like 1 in Pi of it actually happening, and then every step afterwards (based on current theory and understanding) would again be 1 in Pi and there are litteraly billions of steps that lead us to where we are now. It simply makes more sense logically that something guided the creation of all things with the idea of a goal.