7th December 2005, 11:55 PM
I am aware of the information.
However, you didn't provide an accurate definition of what you consider conciousness to be.
Memory is not needed to survive. Bacteria are not capable of learning.
Now, I've already explained in great detail exactly what the flaw in your reasoning is. You refuse that outright, so be it.
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=35500
I decided to get a few others involved, people who are well educated all around.
They seem to say I have actually pointed it all out rather well.
So, I'll simply repeat myself.
You confuse intelligent response with mere selection. Evolution isn't "random" in the sense that it's a natural result of the laws of physics, but you seem to assume it NEEDS intelligence to operate. That's just like intelligent design only you put the intelligence in creatures without proper evidence rather than in god.
You assume that the process of evolution ALWAYS requires the WILL to survive. If it doesn't have the will, it dies out you say. Wrong. Will is irrelevent. The only thing life needs is to live. Whatever traits lead to best survival change with environment. Learning isn't needed, just a mutation of the genes every now and then. Favorable mutations are kept BY DEFAULT, not WILL. A creature doesn't have to WANT to live in order to live.
Look, this is very silly. I have no idea what sort of ideology you have which insists that everything that lives has to "want it", but that's just not the case.
At any rate, you keep pointing out the definition of life.
Okay then, tell me, specifically, what aspects of life IN PARTICULAR lead to conciousness? Why should I consider my individual white blood cells to be aware? Why are they any more aware than my antivirus suite? Specifically, what aspects of being alive lead to conciousness?
You say something can't arise from nothing, and so all the cells making UP our brains must have some level of awareness for the total to be aware. With that line of thinking, all the atoms making up each CELL would have to have a level of awareness for each cell to be aware. You see, this line of reasoning has reached something even you must see as absurd. Let me ask you this. Are a pile of chemicals alive? How about when you arrange them like... THIS? Yes? Sure, now you can see it.
However, you didn't provide an accurate definition of what you consider conciousness to be.
Memory is not needed to survive. Bacteria are not capable of learning.
Now, I've already explained in great detail exactly what the flaw in your reasoning is. You refuse that outright, so be it.
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=35500
I decided to get a few others involved, people who are well educated all around.
They seem to say I have actually pointed it all out rather well.
So, I'll simply repeat myself.
You confuse intelligent response with mere selection. Evolution isn't "random" in the sense that it's a natural result of the laws of physics, but you seem to assume it NEEDS intelligence to operate. That's just like intelligent design only you put the intelligence in creatures without proper evidence rather than in god.
You assume that the process of evolution ALWAYS requires the WILL to survive. If it doesn't have the will, it dies out you say. Wrong. Will is irrelevent. The only thing life needs is to live. Whatever traits lead to best survival change with environment. Learning isn't needed, just a mutation of the genes every now and then. Favorable mutations are kept BY DEFAULT, not WILL. A creature doesn't have to WANT to live in order to live.
Look, this is very silly. I have no idea what sort of ideology you have which insists that everything that lives has to "want it", but that's just not the case.
At any rate, you keep pointing out the definition of life.
Okay then, tell me, specifically, what aspects of life IN PARTICULAR lead to conciousness? Why should I consider my individual white blood cells to be aware? Why are they any more aware than my antivirus suite? Specifically, what aspects of being alive lead to conciousness?
You say something can't arise from nothing, and so all the cells making UP our brains must have some level of awareness for the total to be aware. With that line of thinking, all the atoms making up each CELL would have to have a level of awareness for each cell to be aware. You see, this line of reasoning has reached something even you must see as absurd. Let me ask you this. Are a pile of chemicals alive? How about when you arrange them like... THIS? Yes? Sure, now you can see it.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." ~ Charles Babbage (1791-1871)