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[lazyfatbum]

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Intelligence is the capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.

You must have the following requirements in order for this to work:

Be a living thing.

All living things have a brain, or in other words, a network of energy that collects and applies knowledge on a base of instinctual goals

In a video game or program, it is called "artificial intelligence" and has been documented in programs to get the point of being so intelligent and it can create a brain simple enough to act and react as an intelligence on the same level as microbes which takes massive amounts of computing power and i'm not just talking about hunting down food but acting as single organisms and creating larger colonies to gain strength and formulate goals from their own perception (not a programed goal).

It is called "artificial" because it is man-made, though humans themselves are man made, it is a process we cannot fully explain in which two cells create a larger single entity that is done through a natural process.

In a video game it is often documented that in some cases the AI will find new ways to acquire the goal without the programers giving it that logical step, th program will make the logical step on its own though this usually ends in glitches and erratic behavior and must be held by the hand and explained what to do in every detail which causes even more mistakes because the term detail is usually finite to a point of being up to millions of commands at any time. So we end up with dark sims that dont know that a door is blocking their way because thy didn't open it or they shoot the bullet proof glass trying to hit you because they dont know the glass is there - a real life form would try to hit you through the obsticle a few times before it realizes it must find a different route, but only rarely in a video game will th artificial intelligence take the leap of discovery and decide to attack you straight on instead of through the glass. It is simply trying to accomplish its goal.

If I made a game where I told th AI to:

only attack every human player

Then even if put it on my team, it would attack me. It can make no logical leap that i'm on it's team and it shouldn't attack me. But in real intelligence, the living thing would find it greatly beneficial that any thing that helps it or makes its existence easier is something to be embraced as long as it doesn't possess a threat. Lampreys on sharks, shrimp on crabs, birds on alligators, anti-bodies and white blood cells, the list continues and it is found in every living organism.

The alligator with th bird in its mouth WONT eat the bird, the easiest meal possible. It WALKS in to their mouth, eating anything stuck in its teeth. And the alligator, a cold blooded instinct in the form of a swimming mouth with only the intelligence needed to survive WONT kill the bird because it makes the choice not to, it realizes that it is better to co-exist with the bird because it is beneficial despite it being an easy meal. That is reasoning and in a cold blooded animal no less.

And like i said, this co-existence among seperate species can be found on every level of life on Earth. It is NOT programed, it is NOT instinctual, it is something that has been learned through aqcuired knowledge and applied to daily life for the benefit of both species. You should know that.

I went to great pains to point out that there isn't "higher" and "lower", and that our designation of "species" is a matter of convenience for organization rather than an indication that nature itself somehow "recognizes" the cutoff between certain genetic configurations

.....are you insane? Nature doesn't recognize that life falls in to catagories of 'prey' and 'predator' and that there are 'top predators', lower predators' and 'top prey, and lower prey' based on what that animal benefits the most from or FOR? creating a huge chain that is seperated by location and species through evolutionary means that is established through trial and error over periods of millions of years? Are you just trying to say something stupid? If nature didn't recognize such things, why would every species we have found be up 80% different in its genes? Its entire framework of existence and how it functions is seperated by huge gaps of difference based on how and why that life was created or evolved, small flying arthopods used for carrying seed and pollen, giant flesh eating population regulators, giant plant eating veg-regulators who also carry seed and pollen and happen to be the 'population' that needs to be controlled by the felsh eating citizens of earth so they dont eat too much of the vegitation, OF COURSE nature has a designated system of higher to lower order because that is how everything works.

EVEN IF natural order was not the base design in its inception eons ago, it is definitely in place now.

I feel like all you're doing is trying to argue things like a kid, you make a simple statement in opinion and I have to come in and explain it to you and then you ask why. You dont back anything up with facts, you make crazy assumptions and with every post you delve deeper in to the 'who gives a fuck' realm of discussion. You have effectively sucked all the fun out of this discussion to boot. I mean look at this:

single celled organisms do not have a brain

the only creatures that benefit from a brain are those that are capable of motion.

I didn't say ALL moving things need brains.

All things with brains can move, but not all things that can move have a brain

ALL LIVING THINGS HAVE A BRAIN

ALL LIVING THINGS REPRODUCE

FIRE DOES NOT HAVE A BRAIN

ALL PLANTS HAVE A TYPE OF BRAIN

ALL MICROSCOPIC ORGANISMS HAVE A TYPE OF BRAIN

BECAUSE PLANTS AND MICROBES ARE ALIVE

ANYTHING THAT IS ALIVE, IS AWARE OF ITS OWN LIFE AND ITS EFFECT ON ALL THINGS IN ITS LIFE

ALL LIVING THINGS WILL TO LIVE AND AVOID THREAT TO THAT LIFE (or propagation of that life, territory, offspring) AT ALL COSTS

these are facts, these are well known facts, buy yourself a good encyclopedia set and start reading, I read through 3 sets and it only took me a few weeks so it's not like its hard. I am done trying to revive this discussion.

*pulls out rifle*

It was a good discussion, while it lasted.... *harmonica*

I remember the good ol'days........ *violin*

*flashback of DJ and I looking through a science book and laughing at pictures of a protoplast without its membrane in slow motion*

*close up of a tear forming in my eye*

*screen goes black*

*a rifle shot is heard*

Disney: *sues me*