3rd April 2003, 2:07 PM
Blah blah blah, little man. I think it's far more ridiculous to think that certain special people are born with irresistable urges to screw people with the same set of genitals as they have, I mean, it sounds funny just saying it, because it's bullshit. I think the paranoid and terrified one is the one who deludes himself into thinking that human beings cannot decide anything for themselves. Why do you keep trying to press your point when all I want from you is some sort of respectable scientific proof backing your statement? You claim your position is one of truth and mine one born of hatred, yet you refuse to prove it and just tell me that I'm wrong despite the facts I've displayed to you in different ways. You're just a blind little mouse who wishes to desperately cling to your irrational falsehoods.
If you commit the act, then you are making a choice. You cannot do anything involving another human being without some measure of will. That's likea fat person saying he has no choice but to eat, he does have a choice but is weak-willed and makes the choice that makes him fatter. For a man to initiate a sexual encounter with another man (or women and women, if you prefer) requires thoughtful premeditation and will. As to whether they are attracted to the same sex, that's usually a product of upbringing, but even that can be circumvented by someone with a strong will. It's definitely not genetic, and I've outlined why. There is an unquestionably conscious choice involved, unless the sexual act in question is a rape.
That's really unlikely, because such a gene, as I stated numerous times, could not last very long, as homosexuals don't reproduce very often.
Anyway, a good reason homosexuality isn't genetic is because of bisexuality. Bisexuality is proof positive that sexual preference is indeed a choice, and that some people can't choose just one. Can genetics explain bisexuality? Of course not. Nor can it explain sexual preference at all. Choices are made by a person's brain, not their genetic code.
Darunia: Some people choose to be gay because they associate mostly with women, or other gay men, or because the lifestyle attracts them. But it is most definitely a choice. If anyone remembers Anne Heche, Ellen DeGenerate's former lesbian lover, you'll know she proved that you can choose to switch from gay to straight again if you really want to. Yet more proof supporting my opinion.
So anyway, if you guys want to keep repeating your falsehoods and congratulating each other for repeating them, I'm finished with this topic, as I believe N_A and I satisfactorily proved your errors. If you want to substantiate your opinions with something other than false liberal babble and lying accusations of gay-hate, I'm all ears (or eyes, as it were). Until then, you're wasting my time and making yourselves look like uneducated children who know far less than they think.
Quote:i don't know whether it's genetic, or because of upbringing, but i'm fairly certain that it isn't a choice. like i posted earlier, having spoken with gay people i've known, they have all said it's just something you realize over time. they can't explain why they aren't attracted to the opposite sex, but they just aren't and there's nothing they can do about it.
they don't just wake up one day and say "i'm going to be gay."
i honestly do not know why a person is gay, but i refuse to believe that it is a concious choice.
If you commit the act, then you are making a choice. You cannot do anything involving another human being without some measure of will. That's likea fat person saying he has no choice but to eat, he does have a choice but is weak-willed and makes the choice that makes him fatter. For a man to initiate a sexual encounter with another man (or women and women, if you prefer) requires thoughtful premeditation and will. As to whether they are attracted to the same sex, that's usually a product of upbringing, but even that can be circumvented by someone with a strong will. It's definitely not genetic, and I've outlined why. There is an unquestionably conscious choice involved, unless the sexual act in question is a rape.
Quote: plus, it's possible that if there was a gene coded for homosexuality it could just be recessive, and only expressed very rarely, but is carried by many heterosexual people. and it's not so farfetched to think that there would be a reproductive hindering recessive trait, as such traits exist all through nature. for example, in fruit flies, there are genes that code for curled, or wrinkled wings, making it impossible for the fly to...fly. this results in a near 100% fatality rate, but the trait still appears. it's crazy.
all i'm saying is that there's really no evidence one way or the other. genetic, upbringing, choice...it could be a combination of them all.
That's really unlikely, because such a gene, as I stated numerous times, could not last very long, as homosexuals don't reproduce very often.
Anyway, a good reason homosexuality isn't genetic is because of bisexuality. Bisexuality is proof positive that sexual preference is indeed a choice, and that some people can't choose just one. Can genetics explain bisexuality? Of course not. Nor can it explain sexual preference at all. Choices are made by a person's brain, not their genetic code.
Darunia: Some people choose to be gay because they associate mostly with women, or other gay men, or because the lifestyle attracts them. But it is most definitely a choice. If anyone remembers Anne Heche, Ellen DeGenerate's former lesbian lover, you'll know she proved that you can choose to switch from gay to straight again if you really want to. Yet more proof supporting my opinion.
So anyway, if you guys want to keep repeating your falsehoods and congratulating each other for repeating them, I'm finished with this topic, as I believe N_A and I satisfactorily proved your errors. If you want to substantiate your opinions with something other than false liberal babble and lying accusations of gay-hate, I'm all ears (or eyes, as it were). Until then, you're wasting my time and making yourselves look like uneducated children who know far less than they think.
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