28th November 2005, 2:23 AM
the Biggah/ I seriously hope you're joking. Regardless, it was funny.
The name change on the forum is also hi-larious.
Basically I fell in to a trap of my own design. I start a thread to talk about some new data that was uncovered regarding a religious artifact and I KNEW that people would instantly start to defend their own views and I (being the iconic boy at the stream poking the dead body with a stick) jump in to the argument to force radical seperatist views of logic and recorded history down the throats of people who just want to believe in something better than what they understand to be real.
So I apologize and I go back to my data compiling.
But in case anyone wants to learn more about the shroud (especially you N-Man you giant freaky Catholic, why dont you stop raping the life out of underage boys long enough to atleast CONSIDER the fact just because you wear a funny hat and speak latin doesn't mean you hold truth), here's some info. Oh but first:
Yeah and the 20 shrouds before that and the other 10 afterwards. The shroud of turin is IN Turin, Italy. Where evil catholics live and spread their sperm around to make more rancid babies who eat the souls of men. The shroud is also displayed next to a self portrait of leonardo. LOL. Mr. Charney who you brought up has a writen confession that he 'Bought it from a painter' (as well as a confession from the painter). The church liked how people from all over the world came to see the shroud, the church commisioned Leonardo to make a new shroud, one that clearly shows Jesus and replaces the fake with the fake before everyone starts talking about how frenchie bought it off a painter. Charney died a blastphemor.
The following facts have been established by various distinguished experts and scholars:
· The shroud contradicts the Gospel of John, which describes multiple cloths (including a separate “napkin” over the face), as well as “an hundred pound weight” of burial spices—not a trace of which appears on the cloth.
· No examples of the shroud linen’s complex herringbone twill weave date from the first century, when burial cloths tended to be of plain weave in any case.
· The shroud has no known history prior to the mid-fourteenth century, when it turned up in the possession of a man who never explained how he had obtained the most holy relic in Christendom.
· The earliest written record of the shroud is a bishop’s report to Pope Clement VII, dated 1389, stating that it originated as part of a faith-healing scheme, with “pretended miracles” being staged to defraud credulous pilgrims.
· The bishop’s report also stated that a predecessor had “discovered the fraud and how the said cloth had been cunningly painted, the truth being attested to by the artist who had painted it” (emphasis added).
· Although, as St. Augustine lamented in the fourth-century, Jesus’ appearance was completely unknown, the shroud image follows the conventional artistic likeness.
· The physique is unnaturally elongated (like figures in Gothic art), and there is a lack of wraparound distortions that would be expected if the cloth had enclosed an actual three-dimensional object like a human body. The hair hangs as for a standing, rather than reclining figure, and the imprint of a bloody foot is incompatible with the outstretched leg to which it belongs.
· The alleged blood stains are unnaturally picture-like. Instead of matting the hair, for instance, they run in rivulets on the outside of the locks. Also dried “blood” (as on the arms) has been implausibly transferred to the cloth. The blood remains bright red, unlike genuine blood that blackens with age.
· In 1973, internationally known forensic serologists subjected the “blood” to a battery of tests—for chemical properties, species, blood grouping, etc. The substance lacked the properties of blood, instead containing suspicious, reddish granules.
· Subsequently, the distinguished microanalyst Walter McCrone identified the “blood” as red ocher and vermilion tempera paint and concluded that the entire image had been painted.
· In 1988, the shroud cloth was radiocarbon dated by three different laboratories (at Zurich, Oxford, and the University of Arizona). The results were in close agreement and yield a date range of a.d. 1260–1390, about the time of the reported forger’s confession (ca. a.d. 1355).
If you're trying to keep track:
Over 40 known shrouds are found and all are proven hoaxes, including the one found by Frenchie. Pope asks Leonardo to make one in secret, new shroud is displayed and thought to be real (not proven otherwise) until 1988 where it was completely revealed to be a hoax and tied to a plethora of artists including Da Vinci, the world's smartest fag with his 'projection bas relief' method used to create it.
The facts are out thre, I dont feel like trying to explain anything to people who instantly and blindly defend their own opinions in the hope of it containing some truth.
You know I love you N-Man. But Catholics suck. And if you want to call me an ass for saying so then by all means go to town. But seriously.... seriously, the shroud is a complete hoax and you shouldn't need an object or a tangible piece of evidence to know that God kicks ass and all his prophets who he worked through handled their own load of ass kicking.
People should think to themselves (FOR themselves) and ask "Why does my faith become unjustified or threatened with ideals of Jesus having a family or that he didn't glue ears back on with God Dust and make candles float above people's heads?" Why cant Jesus be a normal man who found God and taught the idea of God to us in one of our darkest times where we were basically at the mercy of the roman empire and almost completely lost our jewish heritage of the 'One God' ideal formed from a massive collection of important documents and stories from since the raw begining's of man?
Why is it that if he didn't float around and glow that he's no longer someone to be looked up to and praised for what he gave all of us? He died so that we can help ourselves and not rely on huge governments to control us in to a happy coma until we fall in to obscurity, tht tradition and the teaching's of the hebrew word of God is something to actually live by. Does he really need to have harry potter powers in order for you to recognize his achievments?
Fuck, we even praise Alexander the Great; a guy who stuck his dick in everything and went on a rampage in a big circle where he conquered every town he fell in to... after he fucked everybody. And we go around saying "it's so amazing that some normal dude could do such a thing" WTF?? bah
anyway, I also thought this was cool:
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/200...bible.html
The name change on the forum is also hi-larious.
Basically I fell in to a trap of my own design. I start a thread to talk about some new data that was uncovered regarding a religious artifact and I KNEW that people would instantly start to defend their own views and I (being the iconic boy at the stream poking the dead body with a stick) jump in to the argument to force radical seperatist views of logic and recorded history down the throats of people who just want to believe in something better than what they understand to be real.
So I apologize and I go back to my data compiling.
But in case anyone wants to learn more about the shroud (especially you N-Man you giant freaky Catholic, why dont you stop raping the life out of underage boys long enough to atleast CONSIDER the fact just because you wear a funny hat and speak latin doesn't mean you hold truth), here's some info. Oh but first:
Quote:the first known sighting of the Shroud of Turin is in the 14th century, a good while before ol' Leo trod this earth (Leonardo was born in 1452). A quick check in Wikipedia confirms it first belonged to a certain Geoffroi de Charny, a French knight, and that it was displayed by him in a church in the year 1357. There is apparently a tangible artifact confirming this in the shape of a pilgrim's medallion, which bears the same image as the Shroud (along with de Charny's coat of arms) and currently rests in the Museum Cluny of Paris.
Yeah and the 20 shrouds before that and the other 10 afterwards. The shroud of turin is IN Turin, Italy. Where evil catholics live and spread their sperm around to make more rancid babies who eat the souls of men. The shroud is also displayed next to a self portrait of leonardo. LOL. Mr. Charney who you brought up has a writen confession that he 'Bought it from a painter' (as well as a confession from the painter). The church liked how people from all over the world came to see the shroud, the church commisioned Leonardo to make a new shroud, one that clearly shows Jesus and replaces the fake with the fake before everyone starts talking about how frenchie bought it off a painter. Charney died a blastphemor.
The following facts have been established by various distinguished experts and scholars:
· The shroud contradicts the Gospel of John, which describes multiple cloths (including a separate “napkin” over the face), as well as “an hundred pound weight” of burial spices—not a trace of which appears on the cloth.
· No examples of the shroud linen’s complex herringbone twill weave date from the first century, when burial cloths tended to be of plain weave in any case.
· The shroud has no known history prior to the mid-fourteenth century, when it turned up in the possession of a man who never explained how he had obtained the most holy relic in Christendom.
· The earliest written record of the shroud is a bishop’s report to Pope Clement VII, dated 1389, stating that it originated as part of a faith-healing scheme, with “pretended miracles” being staged to defraud credulous pilgrims.
· The bishop’s report also stated that a predecessor had “discovered the fraud and how the said cloth had been cunningly painted, the truth being attested to by the artist who had painted it” (emphasis added).
· Although, as St. Augustine lamented in the fourth-century, Jesus’ appearance was completely unknown, the shroud image follows the conventional artistic likeness.
· The physique is unnaturally elongated (like figures in Gothic art), and there is a lack of wraparound distortions that would be expected if the cloth had enclosed an actual three-dimensional object like a human body. The hair hangs as for a standing, rather than reclining figure, and the imprint of a bloody foot is incompatible with the outstretched leg to which it belongs.
· The alleged blood stains are unnaturally picture-like. Instead of matting the hair, for instance, they run in rivulets on the outside of the locks. Also dried “blood” (as on the arms) has been implausibly transferred to the cloth. The blood remains bright red, unlike genuine blood that blackens with age.
· In 1973, internationally known forensic serologists subjected the “blood” to a battery of tests—for chemical properties, species, blood grouping, etc. The substance lacked the properties of blood, instead containing suspicious, reddish granules.
· Subsequently, the distinguished microanalyst Walter McCrone identified the “blood” as red ocher and vermilion tempera paint and concluded that the entire image had been painted.
· In 1988, the shroud cloth was radiocarbon dated by three different laboratories (at Zurich, Oxford, and the University of Arizona). The results were in close agreement and yield a date range of a.d. 1260–1390, about the time of the reported forger’s confession (ca. a.d. 1355).
If you're trying to keep track:
Over 40 known shrouds are found and all are proven hoaxes, including the one found by Frenchie. Pope asks Leonardo to make one in secret, new shroud is displayed and thought to be real (not proven otherwise) until 1988 where it was completely revealed to be a hoax and tied to a plethora of artists including Da Vinci, the world's smartest fag with his 'projection bas relief' method used to create it.
Quote:You should also probably corroborate that statement about Jesus having brothers and sisters with some real historical data, because I'm 90% sure it's bull.
The facts are out thre, I dont feel like trying to explain anything to people who instantly and blindly defend their own opinions in the hope of it containing some truth.
You know I love you N-Man. But Catholics suck. And if you want to call me an ass for saying so then by all means go to town. But seriously.... seriously, the shroud is a complete hoax and you shouldn't need an object or a tangible piece of evidence to know that God kicks ass and all his prophets who he worked through handled their own load of ass kicking.
People should think to themselves (FOR themselves) and ask "Why does my faith become unjustified or threatened with ideals of Jesus having a family or that he didn't glue ears back on with God Dust and make candles float above people's heads?" Why cant Jesus be a normal man who found God and taught the idea of God to us in one of our darkest times where we were basically at the mercy of the roman empire and almost completely lost our jewish heritage of the 'One God' ideal formed from a massive collection of important documents and stories from since the raw begining's of man?
Why is it that if he didn't float around and glow that he's no longer someone to be looked up to and praised for what he gave all of us? He died so that we can help ourselves and not rely on huge governments to control us in to a happy coma until we fall in to obscurity, tht tradition and the teaching's of the hebrew word of God is something to actually live by. Does he really need to have harry potter powers in order for you to recognize his achievments?
Fuck, we even praise Alexander the Great; a guy who stuck his dick in everything and went on a rampage in a big circle where he conquered every town he fell in to... after he fucked everybody. And we go around saying "it's so amazing that some normal dude could do such a thing" WTF?? bah
anyway, I also thought this was cool:
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/200...bible.html