27th November 2005, 12:49 PM
well, people believe whatever they want. Unfortunately what the church teaches and what actually happened are two totally different stories. Ever wonder why the bible states "the romans feared the crowds of thousands and did not arrest Jesus despite him being on the front steps of the temple" and then a few pages later "and the jewish people said "if you do not kill this man it would be a sin against God so the romans crusified Jesus"
Jews: omg we love u so much
Jesus: lol... i know
Jews: we hate you now
Jesus: o rly//?
The entire section of how the romans captured and killed jesus was re-written by the catholics to make the story of Jesus seem anti-semetic in the hopes of getting larger crowds at the church (read: money).
There's litteraly thousands of false statements, untruths and out right lies in the bible that were writen by governments and specific religous sects and sometimes just from kings and queens because 'the laws the bible teaches didn't match their lifestyles'.
But whatever, believe what you want to believe. History tells us Jesus was an upstart thorn in the roman's foot who tried to get people to stand up for themselves and find God on their own without the idea of 'Religion' and your idea of Jesus turns fish in to bread or wine in to gold or whatever it is the catholics wrote. But this is all besides the point.
The shroud of turin is a blanket that was used to cover the body of Jesus when he was taken down from the cross. This blanket was for many people a proof that he existed, but history tells us he existed he had a family even brothers and sisters and he was crusified along with thousands of other people (as crusifiction is the roman's choice of torture, why people want to wear a torture device is beyond me - it would be no different to wear an electric chair pendent).
This blanket has been around for hundreds of years in recorded history, in fact 'shrouds' that depict the image of fallen heroes and religious icons have been around for thousands of years. It's a big deal.
The reason I was waiting for LL is because you guys were just saying "It's no big deal" or "I could care less" without looking at the scope of the entire history and impact this blanket had on billions of people. To me, the shroud of turin was one of those unexplained artifacts, something that offered a glimpse in to the true history of human beings and our love for God, but of course as God said "No idols, no statues, no pieces of cloth with my son on it".
Here are the facts:
The person on the shroud is not Jesus. It's Leonardo DeVinci who loved to create new forms of art and add his face to it (huge, huge ego). In fact the image of Jesus that we often relate to is actually Leonardo DeVinci who would add his likeness to anyone he painted. Even the Mona Lisa is DeVinci's face; a smirking man in a woman's body. This was a statement about his sexuality as he was a homosexual in hiding. The golden mean that shows a human male with arms and legs outstretched and showing the design of man is also Leonardo DeVinci's self portrait and bears a striking resemblence to paintings of Jesus.
The shroud itself was carbon dated to have been made sometime before Jesus was born.
The burn marks that depict a man are actually burn marks. But paint was found in the fibers where the blood stains are. No actual blood was found.
It is theorized that after Leonardo Devinci made the shroud, someone else painted in the blood marks.
Leonardo has a detailed drawing of human hands open and displaying muscle tissues and underneath one saying "Christ would have been hung on the cross by a nail through his palm, not his wrist. The palm would hold his weight the wrist would not." However in the shroud of turin, you can clearly see that the wrists are bleeding. Today we know for a fact that if someone hung by their wrists they would quickly fall down. This shows that the blood paint was added by someone else, probably by someone in the catholic church.
The size of the man depicted in the shroud makes no sense. It shows a man nearly 7 feet tall with a head that is grotesquely larger than his body in comparison. This can be found in other art called 'Bas Reliefs' which was Leonardo Devinci's invention. A flat stone with a 3-D image of a man.
If you would wrap a shroud around a person the shroud would conform to the face and body. If the face left an imprint the image would be distorted when you straighten the shroud back out. Leaving a very wide and strange look of the person who was underneath it. In the shroud of turin, the face and body are shown to be completely in line and without this distortion.
The Bas Relief was done by using mirrors to display the image of the man (or object) on to the ground so that it can be carved. But in this process the mirrors distort the object as it gets to the edge and often elongate the image. To fix this, the head was done seperately and slightly larger to retain detail.
After the bas relief was finished, it is then put in an oven and baked. The hot relief is taken out and a wet cloth is put over it. The image of the bas relief is burned in to the cloth.
And there you have it, an object that has impacted the lives of billions over a period of hundreds of years a complete fraud, people have been worshipping the image of an atheist scientist.
Jews: omg we love u so much
Jesus: lol... i know
Jews: we hate you now
Jesus: o rly//?
The entire section of how the romans captured and killed jesus was re-written by the catholics to make the story of Jesus seem anti-semetic in the hopes of getting larger crowds at the church (read: money).
There's litteraly thousands of false statements, untruths and out right lies in the bible that were writen by governments and specific religous sects and sometimes just from kings and queens because 'the laws the bible teaches didn't match their lifestyles'.
But whatever, believe what you want to believe. History tells us Jesus was an upstart thorn in the roman's foot who tried to get people to stand up for themselves and find God on their own without the idea of 'Religion' and your idea of Jesus turns fish in to bread or wine in to gold or whatever it is the catholics wrote. But this is all besides the point.
The shroud of turin is a blanket that was used to cover the body of Jesus when he was taken down from the cross. This blanket was for many people a proof that he existed, but history tells us he existed he had a family even brothers and sisters and he was crusified along with thousands of other people (as crusifiction is the roman's choice of torture, why people want to wear a torture device is beyond me - it would be no different to wear an electric chair pendent).
This blanket has been around for hundreds of years in recorded history, in fact 'shrouds' that depict the image of fallen heroes and religious icons have been around for thousands of years. It's a big deal.
The reason I was waiting for LL is because you guys were just saying "It's no big deal" or "I could care less" without looking at the scope of the entire history and impact this blanket had on billions of people. To me, the shroud of turin was one of those unexplained artifacts, something that offered a glimpse in to the true history of human beings and our love for God, but of course as God said "No idols, no statues, no pieces of cloth with my son on it".
Here are the facts:
The person on the shroud is not Jesus. It's Leonardo DeVinci who loved to create new forms of art and add his face to it (huge, huge ego). In fact the image of Jesus that we often relate to is actually Leonardo DeVinci who would add his likeness to anyone he painted. Even the Mona Lisa is DeVinci's face; a smirking man in a woman's body. This was a statement about his sexuality as he was a homosexual in hiding. The golden mean that shows a human male with arms and legs outstretched and showing the design of man is also Leonardo DeVinci's self portrait and bears a striking resemblence to paintings of Jesus.
The shroud itself was carbon dated to have been made sometime before Jesus was born.
The burn marks that depict a man are actually burn marks. But paint was found in the fibers where the blood stains are. No actual blood was found.
It is theorized that after Leonardo Devinci made the shroud, someone else painted in the blood marks.
Leonardo has a detailed drawing of human hands open and displaying muscle tissues and underneath one saying "Christ would have been hung on the cross by a nail through his palm, not his wrist. The palm would hold his weight the wrist would not." However in the shroud of turin, you can clearly see that the wrists are bleeding. Today we know for a fact that if someone hung by their wrists they would quickly fall down. This shows that the blood paint was added by someone else, probably by someone in the catholic church.
The size of the man depicted in the shroud makes no sense. It shows a man nearly 7 feet tall with a head that is grotesquely larger than his body in comparison. This can be found in other art called 'Bas Reliefs' which was Leonardo Devinci's invention. A flat stone with a 3-D image of a man.
If you would wrap a shroud around a person the shroud would conform to the face and body. If the face left an imprint the image would be distorted when you straighten the shroud back out. Leaving a very wide and strange look of the person who was underneath it. In the shroud of turin, the face and body are shown to be completely in line and without this distortion.
The Bas Relief was done by using mirrors to display the image of the man (or object) on to the ground so that it can be carved. But in this process the mirrors distort the object as it gets to the edge and often elongate the image. To fix this, the head was done seperately and slightly larger to retain detail.
After the bas relief was finished, it is then put in an oven and baked. The hot relief is taken out and a wet cloth is put over it. The image of the bas relief is burned in to the cloth.
And there you have it, an object that has impacted the lives of billions over a period of hundreds of years a complete fraud, people have been worshipping the image of an atheist scientist.