6th October 2005, 9:37 AM
...A real debate?? No flaming "you're an idiot" posts?? Woohoo! :D
I think you already know this, but the 'shell' is basically a GC controller with a slot for the remote, it's wireless as well that's why I called it wavebird-like. All games from Nintendo (and hopefully 3rd parties) will be using the remote's 3-D functionality
I say this with confidence because you cant help but marvel at the idea of controlling something in full 3-D; Every genre under the sun will benefit from it even if it's wasted for controlling the camera in a 3rd person game. But it goes much, much deeper than that. All you need to do is imagine a genre, like a Starfox game, and imagine controlling your Arwing ...with your hand. Not huge movements (unless you're avoiding a wall), just small movements from the wrist to turn, bank, roll, climb, etc.
And because all or most games will be taking advantage of that, Nintendo gives the player the option of using the remote or sliding it in the GC-like controller. All the same functionality is there, you can play Starfox exactly the same way by moving your controller to simulate the control of the ship, but now it's in the shell of a GC controller with more buttons and a more traditional sense of gaming.
It wont be 'This game requires a shell to play' (unless it's a specific game, like a music game or something whacky), any game that uses the 3-D control can be played with the remote or in the shell, it's not a one or the other thing. It's not an add-on or a peripheral, it's an option for developers and game players to choose what feels best for them depending on the game they play.
The new football game has 3-D functionality, so do you want to use the remote/stick setup or use the shell? Your choice. Just like games that ask you if you want to turn 'rumble' on or off, it will ask you (or detect) what setup you want to use.
I have no doubt in my mind that most 3rd parties will opt for the shell design. And at first, the 3-D functionality will be wasted on the camera movement like I said. Look at the 3rd parties on DS, they were (some still are) releasing games for it that dont use the touch screen at all! But slowly they're experimenting and trying things out and we end up with gems on DS outside the Nintendo camp. And the same 'transitional period' will happen on Revolution.
The question i'm wondering is, the shell; will it come with the Revolution in the box, or do I need to buy it seperately. Nintendo has already hinted that many of it's d/l games will be "updated". In the TGS video, you can hear that people are playing the original Mario Bros with the remote, jumping by flicking the remote controller up. But you also have SNES and N64 games that need a more traditional controller... They could still benefit from the 3-D functionality, but they need the 'pad' design (or an overhaul in the control scheme, which could happen if a developer wants their older game updated for the Rev controller). So i'm thinking, based on that alone, Nintendo will include one Remote controller with a traditional controller shell in the box.
And of course, Nintendo themselves said "We haven't shown everything about the controller or system yet." And the controller could go through some minor and major changes before we see it again.
Just keep in mind that there has never been a bad Nintendo-made controller. Every controller that Nintendo has made has caused the industry to change. D-pads, shoulder buttons, anal sticks, rumble paks, wireless, you name it Nintendo did it so you shouldn't be too worried about it being poop. They know what they're doing.
Quote:From what I understand all Revolution games will use the new controller, no exceptions (from what I've read, I could be entirely wrong). And the wavebird, or any other controller, will be accessories. Last I checked there hasn't been a huge blockbuster that required an accessory, and don't take for granted that everyone who buys a Revolution has a wavebird or GC controller.
I think you already know this, but the 'shell' is basically a GC controller with a slot for the remote, it's wireless as well that's why I called it wavebird-like. All games from Nintendo (and hopefully 3rd parties) will be using the remote's 3-D functionality
I say this with confidence because you cant help but marvel at the idea of controlling something in full 3-D; Every genre under the sun will benefit from it even if it's wasted for controlling the camera in a 3rd person game. But it goes much, much deeper than that. All you need to do is imagine a genre, like a Starfox game, and imagine controlling your Arwing ...with your hand. Not huge movements (unless you're avoiding a wall), just small movements from the wrist to turn, bank, roll, climb, etc.
And because all or most games will be taking advantage of that, Nintendo gives the player the option of using the remote or sliding it in the GC-like controller. All the same functionality is there, you can play Starfox exactly the same way by moving your controller to simulate the control of the ship, but now it's in the shell of a GC controller with more buttons and a more traditional sense of gaming.
It wont be 'This game requires a shell to play' (unless it's a specific game, like a music game or something whacky), any game that uses the 3-D control can be played with the remote or in the shell, it's not a one or the other thing. It's not an add-on or a peripheral, it's an option for developers and game players to choose what feels best for them depending on the game they play.
The new football game has 3-D functionality, so do you want to use the remote/stick setup or use the shell? Your choice. Just like games that ask you if you want to turn 'rumble' on or off, it will ask you (or detect) what setup you want to use.
I have no doubt in my mind that most 3rd parties will opt for the shell design. And at first, the 3-D functionality will be wasted on the camera movement like I said. Look at the 3rd parties on DS, they were (some still are) releasing games for it that dont use the touch screen at all! But slowly they're experimenting and trying things out and we end up with gems on DS outside the Nintendo camp. And the same 'transitional period' will happen on Revolution.
The question i'm wondering is, the shell; will it come with the Revolution in the box, or do I need to buy it seperately. Nintendo has already hinted that many of it's d/l games will be "updated". In the TGS video, you can hear that people are playing the original Mario Bros with the remote, jumping by flicking the remote controller up. But you also have SNES and N64 games that need a more traditional controller... They could still benefit from the 3-D functionality, but they need the 'pad' design (or an overhaul in the control scheme, which could happen if a developer wants their older game updated for the Rev controller). So i'm thinking, based on that alone, Nintendo will include one Remote controller with a traditional controller shell in the box.
And of course, Nintendo themselves said "We haven't shown everything about the controller or system yet." And the controller could go through some minor and major changes before we see it again.
Just keep in mind that there has never been a bad Nintendo-made controller. Every controller that Nintendo has made has caused the industry to change. D-pads, shoulder buttons, anal sticks, rumble paks, wireless, you name it Nintendo did it so you shouldn't be too worried about it being poop. They know what they're doing.