A Black Falcon Wrote:No, it's making less money... "profits are down" is different from "we are losing money". I'd say 'losing money' is making negative money... like MS on the Xbox. :) The danger is of course that if profits continue to fall you could eventually lose money, but just 'profits are lower' is different.I can agree with that.
Quote:Being out for a year and being more successful now than at any point since launch isn't enough for you? What would be, then? Anything? It has more than proven that it's not just a gimmick, that's for sure...There have been other consoles that stayed around longer than a year but eventually dropped out due to a lack of support.
If the DS is still selling strong this time next year, and after the next Gameboy is out, then it's proven, imo. We'll have to wait and see.
Quote:As for games that use the touchscreen, we have a good number. Pac Pix, Pac n Roll, Yoshi Touch n Go, Kirby Canvass Curse, Advance Wars, Nintendogs, Feel the Magic, WarioWare... etc... yes, some use it for less, but it's not the best control input type for all games. For the ones it helps, or the ones that have innovated to show how much it's possible of (Kirby, for instance), it's made a big difference...I'm well aware of how many games use the touch screen, as I keep up with the DS quite a bit. What's wrong with wanting more?
Quote:And remember, it's a new kind of input device for consoles. It takes a while for developers to come to understand it. Yes, there was a lull after launch, but then the situation began to get better, and that will just continue as developers figure out what touchscreen ideas work and which don't... (Revolution might go similarly... it all depends on Nintendo's first party stuff. I would expect more complete titles from Nintendo (as opposed to the sometimes short-and-single-concept stuff we've gotten on DS) because major consoles get bigger budget games, but for third parties it might take longer. Oh well, that's what you get for innovation...I like how you continually paint a picture of roses and sunshine for Nintendo but dump on Microsoft at every chance.
From what I can tell, the third parties aren't really taking advantage of the touch screen feature. Nintendo is the one driving that ship, the third parties not so much. Sega have been pretty supportive, but I wish there were more. It's getting better though, Mistwalker just announced a new game for the DS. A game from the creator of the Final Fantasy series and director of one of my favorite RPGs of all time, Chrono Trigger. I'll take it!
There have been major third parties (Konami, THQ) already saying they will support the Revolution, so that's good, but I want to see to what extent. I was just as skeptical when Microsoft said they had so many developers on board, but now I've seen or heard of the 160+ titles announced thus far.
Quote:You're not prepared to speculate, yet you'll happily indulge in plenty of speculation about how Nintendo is going to fail because of the policies that led to the Revolution? Riight... Comparing it to the VB just proves my point... only people really trying to attack Nintendo would compare this to that. Nobody liked the VB, Nintendo fans or otherwise... and it had a total of fourteen games released for it. Somehow, I doubt that Revolution will have any grounds for comparison there... the DS would be a much better comparison, certainly. But that would actually show Nintendo in a good light, so you won't do that...How they could fail, or how they could grab a new audience. I've left my arguement open for both scenarios. I'm trying to be objective and you don't like it. Fact is that Nintendo doesn't have great third party support and their fanbase has been dwindling over the past few years; just accept that and you're well on your way to understanding where the hell I'm coming from. Nintendo is taking a risk with the new controller, a gamble, and it could go either way.
I've already acknowledged the DS's success, and applaud Nintendo for taking such a risk and having the pay-off. I'm merely allowing my arguement to be open in such a case that in the coming years the excitement for it goes wayward. It's a possibility. Most recently the Gamecube has been on the decline for a while now. I believe it was Nintendo who said that things were going to change with the Gamecube, that they learned from their mistakes. I don't need to tell you for the umpteenth time (or do I?) that they have lost more third party support and market share with the Gamecube. (But if you want to count the handhelds and make everything seem just peachy then do it. Whatever helps you sleep at night.)
The Virtual Boy was something new, and it was something that didn't quite catch on. I had a friend who loved it, btw. It just goes to show that Nintendo is not infallible.
I still think you're thinking in extremes, and I'm going to ask you to stop, again. I have not outright said that Nintendo is going to fail, or that they'll enjoy huge success. I've been trying to only justify why these analyst aren't idiots, and that there is a possibility Nintendo could lose more market share. On the same token I've said they could enjoy success with a new crowd and possibly sustain their long-time fans (or alienate them). I just don't know, and whether you like it or not you don't know either.
If you can point out where I explicitly said, or otherwise implied, that Nintendo will go one way or the other then by all means point it out to me, and I'll happily revoke it.
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