X-Box: $-1,000,000,000 a year

[A Black Falcon]

Comparing console units you CAN NOT count Nintendo's handhelds. It just doesn't make any sense. Now, if you want to talk about each company's business ventures then you can, but I wasn't. Otherwise I could throw in all of Microsoft's other products, but then MS completely decimates the competition.

I've had variations of this argument with people here before, but I maintain that handhelds are consoles. Sorry. :) GBA and DS aren't completely seperate business ventures, they're just different platforms for Nintendo to release its games on (and try to innovate with, both in hardware and software)... saying 'because it's handheld it doesn't matter as much' is wrong. Yes, they are somewhat different markets in some ways, but this does not mean that they should be discounted or ignored.

Of course, that also means that Sony's side includes PSP stuff as well as PS2 ones, so it's not just for Nintendo that I say this... its just MS that is left out. :)

Console to Console: Xbox > Gamecube

Worldwide sales-wise? Yes... but barely. The difference is small.

But you can't prove they are wrong in this instance. Who's to say they aren't completely on target when it comes to Nintendo? Should I give you, obivously Nintendo biased, more credit? I can't make sense of that either. I can't say they're right and I can't say they're wrong...I'd rather just not say if it's all the same with you.

But what do YOU think? What's your opinion on how successful Nintendo will be at expanding the market with the Revolution? That's what's most important here...

MS doesn't care about burning money yet they have their new Xbox coming out to more or less replace the current model. They've lost some 4 billion on Xbox and you don't think they are eager to make that back? They are going to certain measures to ensure they don't fall in the same money pits of the original Xbox.

Concerning Sony, I believe I read somewhere that they are losing money and that has something to do with their software division. I can't be sure, and I really don't care. They'll be fine.

MS: They want to make money, but it's not necessary. They'll do things to try to make more, but losing more won't force them to take drastic action... MS is a very wealthy company. Sony, though... I have heard that they've had some problems, and that they rely heavily on the Playstation for profits... for them it's very important that the PS3 succeeds and they maintain their domination, so they'll do quite a bit to keep that... Nintendo? They'll be fine (that is, profitable). The only question is if they'll move up again or just sit where they are... and I can hope, but obviously we don't know yet.

Software sales is where the big money is made; Microsoft and Sony are both making inroads in that area.

Those GC numbers are a far cry from their N64 and SNES days. That's pathetic considering you say they appeal to their Japanese audience so well or more so...whatever point your trying to get across.

PSX owns the market everywhere... with X-Box in second in most territories and GC in second in Japan. The main impact is that Xbox was a total failure in Japan, so virtually all of Nintendo's sales there make up on the deficit they have in most other regions... which is a big part of why they're not at all far behind on total units sold worldwide. :)

But yes, I would say that the GC has seen a continuing erosion of Nintendo's marketshare when compared to the N64, much less the SNES or NES... each one has had less marketshare than the one before it. Let's hope that they've figured out how to reverse that. :)