X-Box: $-1,000,000,000 a year

[A Black Falcon]

Can't count handhelds since MS isn't in that race. Actually, Xbox sales are steady while the Gamecube has more or less flatlined.

Of course handhelds count. It's annoying how many people want to leave them out in order to skew the statistics away from the way they really are, to prove their "points"... (wanting to leave out handhelds is very common among people who want to show Nintendo as losing, I would say) and it's no more true now than it ever has been, especially with Sony's entry into the race with the PSP. Handhelds matter... and right now? Nintendo has the lead because of the massive success over the years of the GBA, but while in Japan Nintendo is clearly leading sales, I'm not sure about the US... haven't seen specific numbers recently. I just know that Nintendogs has helped sales and pushed the DS to at least even with PSP (it had been behind on week-to-week sales, not I have no idea how the total sales compare...), and probably ahead, at least for a while. Anyway, PSP and DS are close worldwide... the key component is that the DS is only half of Nintendo's handheld business, so Nintendo is still clearly winning because of the GBA. :)

Is it because they support my arguement and go against yours? I mean, if all we're doing is speculating then I should be able to use an analysts' speculation, no?

Sure, and I should be able to point out how often they're wrong... and in this case, how they seem to be completely misunderstanding and underestimating Nintendo. They said that they expect the Revolution to have about the same market share as the Gamecube... I (and Nintendo) would consider that to be a failure, and I don't think that it's going to go that way. :)

That's not a given for this upcoming generation. We don't know what the loss is for any of the consoles yet, and until we do know I really don't feel like arguing on it.

It's a safe assumption. MS doesn't care about burning money on X-Box (less yes, but they don't seem to mind some losses). Sony is making money hand over fist off the PS2 and will be for some time. Nintendo? They NEED to make money off all of their systems... they're a smaller company, so they cannot afford to be selling things at a big loss. They don't have infinite supplies of cash on hand, after all... so it's a safe assumption that Nintendo will put more attention into making their business profitable.

Not to mention how software sales help Nintendo dispraportionately more than Sony or MS...

Ever seen the Japanese sales charts? Xbox sold around 89 units last week.

Yeah... :) PS2 sold like 25,000, GC around 2,400 or something, and Xbox like 89. That seems to be about the market share in Japan... PS2 is like 90% of the market, and the GC is the other 10%... I'm not sure what the total numbers are though (if Nintendo's overall GC marketshare is slightly higher).