X-Box: $-1,000,000,000 a year

[Paco]

Every console to come into existance? Then why does Nintendo make such a big deal about not losing money on hardware... and why is Sony selling PS2s, which by now are very cheap to make, for $150? Yeah. They're not exactly losing money on that one anymore. Yes, most consoles are money-losers to sell when new (not all, but most). But they over time get to the point where they start making money... usually. That didn't happen for Xbox because of high costs... so yes, they are trying to lower them this time. Will it work? Somewhat I'm sure, but who knows how long it'll be until MS is actually making money off X360 sales... they'll have to rely on software sales, and since their first-to-third party ratio is a lot closer to Sony's than Nintendo's, that won't make them as much as they need, unless X360 is a huge hit... I don't see them making money soon, on a consistent basis.

Nintendo does lose money at first, just like everyone else. They make it back through cost reduction on hardware and software sales.

Microsoft lost alot of money on the Xbox due to the harddrive and the royalties due to Nvidia. They won't have this problem going into the next generation, and they've built the 360 with cost reduction in mind. I don't know how long it will take them to make money, but I bet you couldn't tell me how long it will take Nintendo and Sony either.

We'll have to wait and see for all three companies, won't we?

Some do, some don't. Nintendo is closer to 'don't', I would definitely say. Oh, there are exceptions, like Metroid Prime and the 'nunchuck' controller addon (statedly primarially for FPSes), but overall? Nintendo thinks of Japan first, designs their product, and then tries to figure out how they can spin whatever they're doing to be attractive in the rest of the world too. Why else would the GC have such a total lack of online gaming? Yeah, because online is more popular in the US than in Japan...

Then that's not a very solid arguementative peice then is it?

Nintendo thinks of Japan first, huh? Maybe that's why they are in third place.

Analysts have never been right, and relying on them is not really a way to win points... 'all analysts think Nintendo will fail'? Well, one analyst said so, but since when do they have any credibility? Nintendo has a good opportunity here and could be very, very successful in Japan. The rest of the world? We just don't know. It really depends on the games. But counting them out already is quite foolish... GC did lose ground from where they were with the N64, but I think they can make that back. :)

They've never been right but I'm supposed to take your word over theirs?

Why are we having this discussion?