31st March 2003, 10:10 PM
Responses like N_A's (or Weltall, from his posts in our discussion of this a few months ago) are why this discussion is completely pointless. They are simply not prepared to listen and will ignore any sembelance of truth that is presented... as per usual...
Look. If it was 100% environment and in the mind, then animals wouldn't be homosexual too because many of them are not exactly smart. But, some animals are. How about that?
Also, as was mentioned last time we talked about this, its idiotic to try to say "all homosexuals fit category X" where X is upbringing, etc... because they as a group simply do not fit in that kind of classification... it doesn't work that way. While some are more predisposed to some things, that doesnt mean all are by any stretch of the imagination... its so idiotic to hear people like N_A here say otherwise...
I don't understand why some people hate gay and lesbian people so much... why would they be afraid? Its not like its hurting anyone...
I just can't see how it could possibly be "choice". It makes no sense... while for a few people environment certainly might affect it (environment and you psyciatric state effects all kinds of things) there is no possible way that it is even close to the prime factor, or we'd see a tiny fraction of the number of gay people that we have...
And if "traditional family values" mean what you take them to mean then the world is a lot better off without them. We don't need more hatemongering towards the innocent... and thats exactly what it is...
Remember once apon a time it was normal to hate all kinds of groups of people... Jews, Irish, whatever... and eventually we got past that (or most of us). I think this will eventually go that way too... but no time soon. There are too many hatemongering idiots out there to change anything soon...
And again: If it is so bizarre to nature why do all kinds of species have some recognizably homosexual beings? Or will you say that horses or whatever can conciously think about that stuff?
Look. If it was 100% environment and in the mind, then animals wouldn't be homosexual too because many of them are not exactly smart. But, some animals are. How about that?
Also, as was mentioned last time we talked about this, its idiotic to try to say "all homosexuals fit category X" where X is upbringing, etc... because they as a group simply do not fit in that kind of classification... it doesn't work that way. While some are more predisposed to some things, that doesnt mean all are by any stretch of the imagination... its so idiotic to hear people like N_A here say otherwise...
I don't understand why some people hate gay and lesbian people so much... why would they be afraid? Its not like its hurting anyone...
I just can't see how it could possibly be "choice". It makes no sense... while for a few people environment certainly might affect it (environment and you psyciatric state effects all kinds of things) there is no possible way that it is even close to the prime factor, or we'd see a tiny fraction of the number of gay people that we have...
And if "traditional family values" mean what you take them to mean then the world is a lot better off without them. We don't need more hatemongering towards the innocent... and thats exactly what it is...
Remember once apon a time it was normal to hate all kinds of groups of people... Jews, Irish, whatever... and eventually we got past that (or most of us). I think this will eventually go that way too... but no time soon. There are too many hatemongering idiots out there to change anything soon...
And again: If it is so bizarre to nature why do all kinds of species have some recognizably homosexual beings? Or will you say that horses or whatever can conciously think about that stuff?
