31st March 2003, 6:59 PM
ABF, that was a quote from him from the Wind Waker thread where this all started.
I'm not sure what's so "clear" about it. You never did answer that. May I say that you are just copping out and insisting you ar correct? I also don't see why it's SO important that one doesn't have a choice in the matter. One would think that someone really thinking such things should be merely a lifestyle choice would love to think of it as a free will thing. Isn't that a more liberating thought? Again, where's this proof of yours? Quote a scientific article, and please, don't insult both of us by saying "it's so obvious that it is that to deny it shows that you wouldn't accept proof if I did provide it", because that's what's under debate here. I honestly don't care about the right or wrong or just plain "who cares?" area of it all. Be a scientist for a moment. Why is it "obvious" that it HAS to be somethign forced? I heard your logic before, that with all the prejudice against it, why would anyone choose to be that way when they could take the easy path? Listen to that argument and ask yourself, does that honestly make sense to you? Don't you know human nature? Humans LOVE to go against the grain, to be noticed, to stand out in the crowd, and dare I say some love the idea of being a martyr? That aside, another aspect of human nature. Humans LOVE a challenge, to take the path not taken. It's why people become nerdy bookworm types despite all the arse kickings they are likely to recieve because of it. It's why people climb mountains instead of staying at home. It's why people play video games on hard mode. These are enough to get a decent number of people to decide to be homosexual (by the way, that's not ridiculous political correctness Mr meanie up there, that's the scientific way of saying it is all). You will have to do better than saying "why would people choose the hard and chastised path?" if you want to make a case that it's CLEARLY not a choice to me. You will also need to quote a reputable scientific source confirming that there is in fact a "gay gene". Good luck on that by the way. They are still making jokes about what will happen when that gene is finally found (the onion has an article, gay gene isolated, ostrasized from rest of genetic code). A single outdated and disprooved article from the late 80's early 90's isn't enough. However, if you BELIEVE it's genetic, that's another matter. You must admit you are merely having faith that it is so though, unless you really can provide some evidence, from a scientific article to an airtight logical case (whichever, don't care) prooving that it HAS to be genetic. I will say however this is just like trying to proove that there is a gene for murderers or astronauts.
I'm not sure what's so "clear" about it. You never did answer that. May I say that you are just copping out and insisting you ar correct? I also don't see why it's SO important that one doesn't have a choice in the matter. One would think that someone really thinking such things should be merely a lifestyle choice would love to think of it as a free will thing. Isn't that a more liberating thought? Again, where's this proof of yours? Quote a scientific article, and please, don't insult both of us by saying "it's so obvious that it is that to deny it shows that you wouldn't accept proof if I did provide it", because that's what's under debate here. I honestly don't care about the right or wrong or just plain "who cares?" area of it all. Be a scientist for a moment. Why is it "obvious" that it HAS to be somethign forced? I heard your logic before, that with all the prejudice against it, why would anyone choose to be that way when they could take the easy path? Listen to that argument and ask yourself, does that honestly make sense to you? Don't you know human nature? Humans LOVE to go against the grain, to be noticed, to stand out in the crowd, and dare I say some love the idea of being a martyr? That aside, another aspect of human nature. Humans LOVE a challenge, to take the path not taken. It's why people become nerdy bookworm types despite all the arse kickings they are likely to recieve because of it. It's why people climb mountains instead of staying at home. It's why people play video games on hard mode. These are enough to get a decent number of people to decide to be homosexual (by the way, that's not ridiculous political correctness Mr meanie up there, that's the scientific way of saying it is all). You will have to do better than saying "why would people choose the hard and chastised path?" if you want to make a case that it's CLEARLY not a choice to me. You will also need to quote a reputable scientific source confirming that there is in fact a "gay gene". Good luck on that by the way. They are still making jokes about what will happen when that gene is finally found (the onion has an article, gay gene isolated, ostrasized from rest of genetic code). A single outdated and disprooved article from the late 80's early 90's isn't enough. However, if you BELIEVE it's genetic, that's another matter. You must admit you are merely having faith that it is so though, unless you really can provide some evidence, from a scientific article to an airtight logical case (whichever, don't care) prooving that it HAS to be genetic. I will say however this is just like trying to proove that there is a gene for murderers or astronauts.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." ~ Charles Babbage (1791-1871)