28th August 2005, 6:45 PM
lmao GR thought I was Dex :D
Dex is my 12 year old nephew who cannot spell anything that uses more than 4 letters. When i'm visiting my mom I dont bother to log out of his account on TC because hopefully people will have the ability to understand the difference between cohesive thought and "woh wants a revuloshion///?" But I digress.
As i've stated many times it is my opinion that anime is completely trite cookie-cutter me-too bullshit designed by people with small dicks who over-compensate by thinking of characters that must use brute strength, extreme innuendo or heavy weapons to overcome conflict in their stories while retaining the same social structure of Japan regardless of the characters scope of what or who they are in their respective situations and conflict (as opposed to a western story teller who will use other cultures as a basis for their fictional character's origins (aliens for example) or work hard to make a completely new ideal of a culture, see Alien Nation as a simple example). It is often pointless and usually mindless save for the rare instances of the stories that actually had a script as opposed to a culmination of action sequences showcased in some rudiment order that only makes sense if you're a child with no understanding of what a person is and instead judges and accepts on a level of physical characteristics and extremes which unfortunately the majority of 'anime' and Japanese films in general use as their means to communicate the goals of the story to the audience(high visual value and low plot, character dev. writing, etc values).
Regardless of translation issues, the dialogue is mostly set up as to be a punchline without the context of a joke - a 'drama punch' is usually the last resort of a story teller who is trying to explain something quickly without dwelling on it as to speed the pacing of the story and it always results in failure, in western and modern storytelling we know this as the 'flash back' which gives the story teller a palette to generate his character for the audience while not actually generating character through the character's actions within the context of the current conflict (which is ridiculous), The state of mind, morality, etc. The content of the sub-plots are usually so blatantly simplistic or at times even drowned in idealistic banter (again, pushing Japanese social structure) without context or purpose and usually amounts to filler if anything at all, a 'break' between visually oriented scenes which, as I said earlier, is the entire basis of anime.
It is literally a story told for the purpose of "Isn't this cool?" and has no groundings what so ever. There is a major reason why all of the films you mentioned are not widely accepted or even considered mainstream and that is because they are convoluted confusing stories that try to entertain its audience by flashing sexual innuendo and over the top action sequences (that would be nearly impossible or incredibly difficult with live action without resorting to gimmicky CG since it definitely wouldn't be trying to obtain an audience through the story save for the anticipation of what might happen next in the story, i.e.: the next action scene and how the protagonist will cope). That we, as a movie going public, accept as trite, convoluted bullshit films that do not deserve the price of admission.
I could dump my entire education of film and story telling in this thread and do my best to show how ridiculous anime is and probably prove my point rather well but there would be no point. You have characters that you love, anime and Japanese live action movies that you love, I have no right to tell you that you shouldn't enjoy them. However, do not ridicule my opinion or judgment on them and tell me that i'm wrong and they're the best thing since sliced bread simply because you think they're cool. If you want to continue a debate like that I suggest making a new thread and I will give you black and white facts of why anime is sub par overly simplistic story telling with an emphasis on eye-candy and little else. If you enjoy them, that's great, but I do not for various reasons.
Now, having said all that, there are definitely some incredible movies from Japan that use new ways of storytelling to put a more original spin on the same story we've seen a thousand times. Spending half the movie on a character that has nothing to do with the main character as to simply introduce us to the world the story will take place in or using a love story as a catalyst to generate conflict between the main character and his ultimate goal which he now questions based on that love. These stories and examples should be celebrated but they are not in the examples you provided and in fact very few people know about them because they do not contain any flashy action sequences or over the top context.
Dex is my 12 year old nephew who cannot spell anything that uses more than 4 letters. When i'm visiting my mom I dont bother to log out of his account on TC because hopefully people will have the ability to understand the difference between cohesive thought and "woh wants a revuloshion///?" But I digress.
As i've stated many times it is my opinion that anime is completely trite cookie-cutter me-too bullshit designed by people with small dicks who over-compensate by thinking of characters that must use brute strength, extreme innuendo or heavy weapons to overcome conflict in their stories while retaining the same social structure of Japan regardless of the characters scope of what or who they are in their respective situations and conflict (as opposed to a western story teller who will use other cultures as a basis for their fictional character's origins (aliens for example) or work hard to make a completely new ideal of a culture, see Alien Nation as a simple example). It is often pointless and usually mindless save for the rare instances of the stories that actually had a script as opposed to a culmination of action sequences showcased in some rudiment order that only makes sense if you're a child with no understanding of what a person is and instead judges and accepts on a level of physical characteristics and extremes which unfortunately the majority of 'anime' and Japanese films in general use as their means to communicate the goals of the story to the audience(high visual value and low plot, character dev. writing, etc values).
Regardless of translation issues, the dialogue is mostly set up as to be a punchline without the context of a joke - a 'drama punch' is usually the last resort of a story teller who is trying to explain something quickly without dwelling on it as to speed the pacing of the story and it always results in failure, in western and modern storytelling we know this as the 'flash back' which gives the story teller a palette to generate his character for the audience while not actually generating character through the character's actions within the context of the current conflict (which is ridiculous), The state of mind, morality, etc. The content of the sub-plots are usually so blatantly simplistic or at times even drowned in idealistic banter (again, pushing Japanese social structure) without context or purpose and usually amounts to filler if anything at all, a 'break' between visually oriented scenes which, as I said earlier, is the entire basis of anime.
It is literally a story told for the purpose of "Isn't this cool?" and has no groundings what so ever. There is a major reason why all of the films you mentioned are not widely accepted or even considered mainstream and that is because they are convoluted confusing stories that try to entertain its audience by flashing sexual innuendo and over the top action sequences (that would be nearly impossible or incredibly difficult with live action without resorting to gimmicky CG since it definitely wouldn't be trying to obtain an audience through the story save for the anticipation of what might happen next in the story, i.e.: the next action scene and how the protagonist will cope). That we, as a movie going public, accept as trite, convoluted bullshit films that do not deserve the price of admission.
I could dump my entire education of film and story telling in this thread and do my best to show how ridiculous anime is and probably prove my point rather well but there would be no point. You have characters that you love, anime and Japanese live action movies that you love, I have no right to tell you that you shouldn't enjoy them. However, do not ridicule my opinion or judgment on them and tell me that i'm wrong and they're the best thing since sliced bread simply because you think they're cool. If you want to continue a debate like that I suggest making a new thread and I will give you black and white facts of why anime is sub par overly simplistic story telling with an emphasis on eye-candy and little else. If you enjoy them, that's great, but I do not for various reasons.
Now, having said all that, there are definitely some incredible movies from Japan that use new ways of storytelling to put a more original spin on the same story we've seen a thousand times. Spending half the movie on a character that has nothing to do with the main character as to simply introduce us to the world the story will take place in or using a love story as a catalyst to generate conflict between the main character and his ultimate goal which he now questions based on that love. These stories and examples should be celebrated but they are not in the examples you provided and in fact very few people know about them because they do not contain any flashy action sequences or over the top context.