24th July 2005, 10:32 PM
Well I happen to think Muhhadmud and the quran is like charles manson meets Jim Jones both control cult leaders who destroyed and ruined the lives of their followers.
The progress in the middle east is despite of Islam not because of it, Infact it is really the shear zealous following of the quran that holds the middle east back into this 8th century mentality, really cause those mullahs and Imams want so desperately to grip maintain their power and status if islam fades as do they.
Christianity is a bizzare religon, That continues the "Osiris" and "Mifra" secret salvation cults that existed prior and after,It Just introduced itself into what was Jeudaism, Infact Osiris converts initated through water emersion into the nile in a "baptism" as Osiris was god of the psysical and spritual nile so he needed to clease them make them holy in his likeness.
According to the Mandean texts the "John the baptist" gnoistic cult a continued off shoot of the weird strange "jewish essence" movement, John the baptist was its leader and holy man according to them the Yeshua or jesus of the bible is a fraudulent diciple of John the baptist who tried to run off with his ideas and teachings make his own cult movement make up lies try to make people think he is the son of god, The Mandean texts have a alternate version of Jesus baptism were John at first counciled him and scowleded him, Then urged him to repent and insisted that he should be baptised to cleanse out his false spirit, When Jesus was submerged into the waters a black raven came into view and the writer sopposedly "john the baptist" said the dark spirit of "duha" a feminin form of "Satan" flew over him in the form of a raven.
So basically the mandeans think Jesus was a plagariser and a hack.
Since the "gospel of Thomas" a gnosis manuscript which has been carbon dated as showing to be from the early 2nd century making just as old as mark the eldest existing manuscript of the canon gospel. It begs the question was the real early christianity "Gnoistic" as some people say? Could "the apostle paul" group and others make the "orthodox christianity we know that still follows the old testament were as the gnoistic rejected the OT had a alternate thing of their own were "yahweh" of OT is a impure blind god and his twin another "Yahweh" the pure god who is father of jesus which is consistent with the mandean ideas just without any Jesus. Gospel of Thomas has quite a subtancial amount of ilustrations sayings and passages that also appear in the canonical text unlike any other "gnoistic" text somtimes I even wonder how truly gnoistic Thomas is as it seems 90% orthodox with 10% gnoistic in it?
Yes christianity existed in the time it was in , The protestant movement in truth was the begining of "liberalism" and eventually secularism by the american founding fathers "Thomas Jefferson" and madison. To bad tides have now reversed itself
Christianity was open enough that with some leg room it could secularism, As christians are never insisted on being in control or establish christian controled goverment, Muslims on the other hand are comanded to create "islamic states with Islamic sharia laws" and their can be no seperation of church and state by the intense teachings of islam , basically its founder started the faith by forging a army taking mecca by force and imposing his religon on its populance.
Christianity as a hole didnt do that untill Ceasar Constantine made it the state religon in the roman empire,eventually ceasing and forcing christianity on non believers, All of christian behavor from their on was just following "Constantine success in imposing christinanity rather then gathering and teaching for converts". Ceasar was not Jesus or the founder of christianity just some ambitious emperor with Imperious sly ideas.
In catholic europe eventually nobody knew or understood the bible being iliterate and being since the bible was in latin which eventually became a dead language nobody spoke, If the priest said to a catholic enlisted man in the army off to fight in the cruisades its not a sin to slay a infidel and if you refuse to do so you will go to hell! How could that possibly uneducated and iliterate peasant know what the gospel taught or not?So he had taken the priest word for it as he was taught and conditoned to do.
The creation of the printing press the start of the information age as we call it today, Was really a underground movement fighting to bring the bible out of latin and into the common languages of the people at the time, leading to the reformation. The shattering of control on information is what broke the catholic grip hold on europe and brought in the modern western ideas that all thoughts could be shared and transmited everywhere, Allowing science to progress the "renaisance".
Yes I admit the bible is bad but the Quran is worse its ugly!
Secularism democracy Good , The bad "bible" fundiementalist * anti liberal * * anti free thought*, Ugly islamic quranic fundiementalist *terrorist* *militants* *revolutionaries and insurrectors*.
The progress in the middle east is despite of Islam not because of it, Infact it is really the shear zealous following of the quran that holds the middle east back into this 8th century mentality, really cause those mullahs and Imams want so desperately to grip maintain their power and status if islam fades as do they.
Christianity is a bizzare religon, That continues the "Osiris" and "Mifra" secret salvation cults that existed prior and after,It Just introduced itself into what was Jeudaism, Infact Osiris converts initated through water emersion into the nile in a "baptism" as Osiris was god of the psysical and spritual nile so he needed to clease them make them holy in his likeness.
According to the Mandean texts the "John the baptist" gnoistic cult a continued off shoot of the weird strange "jewish essence" movement, John the baptist was its leader and holy man according to them the Yeshua or jesus of the bible is a fraudulent diciple of John the baptist who tried to run off with his ideas and teachings make his own cult movement make up lies try to make people think he is the son of god, The Mandean texts have a alternate version of Jesus baptism were John at first counciled him and scowleded him, Then urged him to repent and insisted that he should be baptised to cleanse out his false spirit, When Jesus was submerged into the waters a black raven came into view and the writer sopposedly "john the baptist" said the dark spirit of "duha" a feminin form of "Satan" flew over him in the form of a raven.
So basically the mandeans think Jesus was a plagariser and a hack.
Since the "gospel of Thomas" a gnosis manuscript which has been carbon dated as showing to be from the early 2nd century making just as old as mark the eldest existing manuscript of the canon gospel. It begs the question was the real early christianity "Gnoistic" as some people say? Could "the apostle paul" group and others make the "orthodox christianity we know that still follows the old testament were as the gnoistic rejected the OT had a alternate thing of their own were "yahweh" of OT is a impure blind god and his twin another "Yahweh" the pure god who is father of jesus which is consistent with the mandean ideas just without any Jesus. Gospel of Thomas has quite a subtancial amount of ilustrations sayings and passages that also appear in the canonical text unlike any other "gnoistic" text somtimes I even wonder how truly gnoistic Thomas is as it seems 90% orthodox with 10% gnoistic in it?
Yes christianity existed in the time it was in , The protestant movement in truth was the begining of "liberalism" and eventually secularism by the american founding fathers "Thomas Jefferson" and madison. To bad tides have now reversed itself
Christianity was open enough that with some leg room it could secularism, As christians are never insisted on being in control or establish christian controled goverment, Muslims on the other hand are comanded to create "islamic states with Islamic sharia laws" and their can be no seperation of church and state by the intense teachings of islam , basically its founder started the faith by forging a army taking mecca by force and imposing his religon on its populance.
Christianity as a hole didnt do that untill Ceasar Constantine made it the state religon in the roman empire,eventually ceasing and forcing christianity on non believers, All of christian behavor from their on was just following "Constantine success in imposing christinanity rather then gathering and teaching for converts". Ceasar was not Jesus or the founder of christianity just some ambitious emperor with Imperious sly ideas.
In catholic europe eventually nobody knew or understood the bible being iliterate and being since the bible was in latin which eventually became a dead language nobody spoke, If the priest said to a catholic enlisted man in the army off to fight in the cruisades its not a sin to slay a infidel and if you refuse to do so you will go to hell! How could that possibly uneducated and iliterate peasant know what the gospel taught or not?So he had taken the priest word for it as he was taught and conditoned to do.
The creation of the printing press the start of the information age as we call it today, Was really a underground movement fighting to bring the bible out of latin and into the common languages of the people at the time, leading to the reformation. The shattering of control on information is what broke the catholic grip hold on europe and brought in the modern western ideas that all thoughts could be shared and transmited everywhere, Allowing science to progress the "renaisance".
Yes I admit the bible is bad but the Quran is worse its ugly!
Secularism democracy Good , The bad "bible" fundiementalist * anti liberal * * anti free thought*, Ugly islamic quranic fundiementalist *terrorist* *militants* *revolutionaries and insurrectors*.