6th June 2005, 3:47 PM
Quote:It's not hard at all. Sith are evil, wicked and rotten by their basic nature, even when they are basically decent human beings. Like how Anakin swore to the dark side, and all of a sudden he was a cold-blooded child murderer.
I've (and OB1 did) explained it so much better than that that it's absurd that you won't listen... it's pretty clear that you won't listen. Otherwise you would have before now.
It's not just that they are evil by their very nature... I mean, they are evil, certainly. But... for instance, did you ever play KotOR? That's got a pretty good overview of Sith philosophy in it, for starters... not to mention some of the books, like the interesting NJO ones where Jacen questions whether the Force is really two seperate things (Light and Dark) or one... it'd be hard to explain without you having most of the basis for understanding it.
But even so, some was explained in RotS. Anakin said it: 'Sith live only for themselves, while Jedi live for everyone' (or something like that). That's the essential difference... the Sith use their powers for personal gain. "Evil"? Yes, they do evil to get there, but the point isn't evil, it's personal gain. The Jedi have a selfless philosophy which rules this out. The two are diametrically opposed, so of course they will come into conflict... and once the Jedi won and the Sith were forced into hiding, they spent hundreds of years working towards being powerful enough to be able to challenge the Jedi again... which Palpatine was finally able to do.
Quote:Say what you will. Say they had to prevent the movie from being 5 hours long, whatever. That doesn't excuse it. They might as well have just ended it a little before the turn and made a 4th movie. They could have you know. They could have decided to renumber the last 3 movies and make it a 7 part saga. I wouldn't be complaining if he had to, and he probably did, in order to really do a good job with that.
You can't show everything in the films. That is what the EU is for. The films do what they have to, and do it well... RotS does not go "too fast". As I said. Anakin isn't just making a random, completely un-thought-through decision! Oh, he hasn't thought about being a Sith for years, but Palpatine has been poisoning him with tales of how the Jedi are corrupt, how they are out to get him, how they want to take over the government, etc, etc... getting that confirmed, with the Jedis' request to him for him to spy on Palpatine, hurt. He didn't quite want to believe Palpatine, I think... but that convinced him that Palpatine was right. And the irony is, of course, that Palpatine WAS right... the Jedi were out to get him, did have a plot to take over the government, etc. Palpatine just left out (when he talked to Anakin) the part about how they were doing those things in reaction to Palpatine's actions. :)
Quote:As for the whole "he had no choice at that point and took the only path he saw" thing, well I actually said that already. My comment if I recall was that has all the maturity we would expect from angst boy. Maybe that was the point, that evil is, in the end, a bunch of childish selfish brats who can't think past their noses. If that's the case, bravo. You made me lose all respect for the empire in the last 3 movies.
Palpatine is a trusted authority figure to Anakin. He tells Anakin things. Anakin gets confirmation of them, in the worst possible ways... can't you see how, with all the layers of deception Palpatine had woven to entrap Anakin, Anakin could have been confused by them and fall prey to the net?
Anakin is doing the same thing everyone does... thinking about the people (or things) most important to them first. It's human nature to care more about people close to you (in Anakin's case, his mother and his wife) than other people... as he is told repeatedly, his problem is that he cannot let go like a Jedi should be able to.
Sure, the portrayal of Anakin isn't perfect, but it's pretty good, and all quite believable.
Quote:Oh and, if your only exuse for them not really thinking of a good way to end that last battle is they didn't want to take up too much time so they phoned it in... well... (And yes, I don't see a problem with him getting the rest of his limbs removed. It's just that the moment should have been a lot more... momentous. I mean, OB1 shouldn't have even MENTIONED the high ground, first off, second off, no slow motion, or maybe a flashback to Anakin's youth and some scenes like that with orcastral "ooohs" in the background and THEN that part? No doves flying by (and bursting into flames)?
He was making one last attempt to get Anakin to give up... it didn't work, but he had to try.