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    1st May 2005, 5:52 PM
    Quote:I understand what you're saying... I just think you're wrong. Sure, for most of them PC is out of the question because Doom 3 requires a very nice PC. But still, it's not absurd... almost everyone has some kind of PC, after all. "Now available for X-Box", "only available on X-Box on consoles"... those are true. But "exclusive to X-Box"? No, not by any reasonable definition of the term. I just don't accept your hard seperation between PCs and consoles. I mean, there definitely is a line, but I just don't think it's as big as you seem to.

    That's because you're still confused about what I'm trying to explain to you.

    The "exclusive on XBox" sticker is not for you and me. It's for the people who take up the largest percentage of the home console market, the casuals. Most of these casuals are not going to have a powerful enough gaming PC. They do not care that Doom 3 is available for the PC. What they need to know, what Microsft wants them to know, is that Doom 3 is not available for the PS2 and Gamecube, because those are the XBox's direct competion, not the PC. Without that sticker, they might wonder if they can get Doom 3 for the PS2 or GC, but with it they are certain that it can only be played on the XBox.

    I don't know how much simpler I can explain this.

    Quote:I haven't just talked about advertising... what do you think I'm missing?

    You keep on bringing up advertising when I talk about markets.

    Quote:I'd say that most people prioritize overall... not necessarially pc vs. console. Like me, who has pc and some consoles... sure, most hardcore console gamers would have nowhere near as many pc games as I do. But I'd expect most to have some... more than they would have for some consoles if they don't own them all (and I'd say it's more likely to have a pc and some consoles (with more games for the consoles) than all the consoles and no games for pc, since pretty much everyone needs a pc...)

    That raises a good question, I think. Do more primarially PC gamers play (some) console games (percentage-wise), or do more console gamers play (some) pc games? I'd bet on the latter, really... a lot of pc gamers seem to really dislike pcs while it doesn't seem quite as strong (though it's definitely there!) the other way around. But maybe I'm wrong, I'm not sure.

    "most people" do not have good gaming PCs. "most people" use their PCs for word and the internet. "most people" play games on home consoles, which is why console hardware and software sales are so much higher than PC ones.

    Quote:They've been saying that for a while now, but I don't see much results... maybe they do, who knows.

    Nintendogs might be a sign.

    Quote:Even so, your reaction was not logical. I consider the PC just another system, like the consoles each are... one a bit more different from the others certainly, and with a slightly different market, but still another system. So saying that a game is better on that system, and not the other, makes sense to me... saying 'no that system doesn't count' is ridiculous. Even to a softcore gamer, the fact is, if it's best on PC it's best on PC! Sure, they probably don't have a good enough PC, but perhaps they do, and if they do then they should get it for PC... there isn't some magical dividing line between consoles and PCs.

    You're right about one thing: the line is not magical. But there is a line, which is why there are separate markets.

    Have you been listening to a single word I've said??

    Quote:Yes, I am talking broadly. And you're thinking too narrowly.

    You don't even know how to think narrowly in this topic. I'm thinking as broad as I need to.
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