1st May 2005, 1:13 PM
Quote:Listen to that logic for a second... just read that once again, keeping in mind what I've told you already.
The home console market does not target the hardcore PC gaming crowd. Not at all. If this were the case then obviously, Doom 3 would not say "exclusive for Xbox" on the case. The people this is done for are the main home console audience, and it's not about lying to them because it's on the PC--the PC is not even in the equation. It's about telling them that Doom 3 is not available for the PS2 and Gamecube. That's all they care about.
I understand what you're saying... I just think you're wrong. :) Sure, for most of them PC is out of the question because Doom 3 requires a very nice PC. But still, it's not absurd... almost everyone has some kind of PC, after all. "Now available for X-Box", "only available on X-Box on consoles"... those are true. But "exclusive to X-Box"? No, not by any reasonable definition of the term. I just don't accept your hard seperation between PCs and consoles. I mean, there definitely is a line, but I just don't think it's as big as you seem to.
Quote:Yes of course advertising is a part of the overall equation, but it is irrelevant to the topic at hand. You are still confusing advertising with marketing in the sense that I am trying to explain to you.
I haven't just talked about advertising... what do you think I'm missing?
Quote:Yes, the hardcore console gaming crowd is basically the same as the hardcore PC gaming crowd, and if everyone were like that there would be only one gaming market, because we are consumers of every gaming market. But that's not the case now is it? Most people choose one or the other.
That make sense?
I'd say that most people prioritize overall... not necessarially pc vs. console. Like me, who has pc and some consoles... sure, most hardcore console gamers would have nowhere near as many pc games as I do. But I'd expect most to have some... more than they would have for some consoles if they don't own them all (and I'd say it's more likely to have a pc and some consoles (with more games for the consoles) than all the consoles and no games for pc, since pretty much everyone needs a pc...)
That raises a good question, I think. Do more primarially PC gamers play (some) console games (percentage-wise), or do more console gamers play (some) pc games? I'd bet on the latter, really... a lot of pc gamers seem to really dislike pcs while it doesn't seem quite as strong (though it's definitely there!) the other way around. But maybe I'm wrong, I'm not sure.
Quote:Not really an older gaming crowd like the PSP, but an older crowd that doesn't play games.
We shall see if they become successful or not.
They've been saying that for a while now, but I don't see much results... maybe they do, who knows.
Quote:This would be true if I was talking about whether or not DJ should buy an X-Box. But I wasn't. I was talking about the merits of the X-Box, and not just to a hardcore gamer.
Even so, your reaction was not logical. I consider the PC just another system, like the consoles each are... one a bit more different from the others certainly, and with a slightly different market, but still another system. So saying that a game is better on that system, and not the other, makes sense to me... saying 'no that system doesn't count' is ridiculous. Even to a softcore gamer, the fact is, if it's best on PC it's best on PC! Sure, they probably don't have a good enough PC, but perhaps they do, and if they do then they should get it for PC... there isn't some magical dividing line between consoles and PCs.
Quote:Of course they are a part of the same overall market. Groceries and cars are also a part of the same overall market, with overlapping there as well. Now PC games and console games are a lot closer together than groceries and trains are, but they are still separate and disctinct markets. You are thinking in very broad terms here.
Yes, I am talking broadly. And you're thinking too narrowly. :)