30th April 2005, 3:21 PM
Quote:dude... the GBA and SNES have a gap of over ten years, we were talking about current gen systems and software and how that software is ported to other current gen gaming platforms.
I knew you'd say that, but it doesn't matter. Even if the GBA had come out in 1995 and Yoshi's Island had been ported over that very year, it would still have gotten that "only on GBA" sticker.
Quote:If you want to believe marketing then I feel sorry for you. If i believed in marketing I wouldn't own a Gamcube. Just because a company tells you something doesn't mean it's true. They say Doom III is XBox exclusive so you buy IT instead of the PC version thinking that you'll get a better game. Companies try to blur the line between PC's and consoles because the gamers are so different and PC is a more involved process than consoles. PC gamers expect a ton of control over the options of the game, including full modding and patches. But consols will be there in the next few years so that line will disappear quickly.
Now, if i'm not mistaken, while Doom III on XBox lacks the modding capabilities of the PC version, it does have some exclusive levels, weapons or multiplayer options. Meaning that in fact the version on XBox is exclusive. In contrast, the PC version could (or already did) mod itself to have the exclusive levels, weapons or multiplayer options.
If that were to happen, to say that the version on XBox is still exclusive would be a mistake. As with saying that Halo is exclusive to XBox when in fact the exact same game exists on another gaming platform.
And thus ends my broadcast day in this thread.
Now you're talking about listening to marketing to help decide what games to buy, which is not what I was talking about. I was talking about how these different platforms are considered to be (BY THE DAMN INDUSTRY) in separate markets and are NOT directly competiting with each other. This is not a matter of opinion because this is decided BY the games market.
Quote:EVERY platform is in competition with each other one! Of course!
Look, if there was truly no comparison, Microsoft wouldn't wait a year before releasing Halo on PC, or Fable. As I said, it's called limited exclusivity -- to get a lot of sales of the game on your platform, and then sell it on more platforms to make even more money. Simple.
Of course the GBA competes with the PS2. Or these days 'DS' might be more accurate... when last week 90,000 DSes sold in Japan, what do you think those people weren't buying? Yeah, that'd probably be at the cost of a few more PS2 games. You're no more right about how they are completely different markets than Nintendo is, and Nintendo is wrong (remember the whole "GC and PS2 are in different markets" thing? Just an extension of what you're saying here.).
In broad terms, the Gameboy Advance is also competing with the IPod, and even BOOKS, because they're all products trying to be sold as entertainment.
Quote:It's 100% a marketing label aimed at selling more units and 0% based on reality.
Of course it's about marketing, this entire situation is about marketing! The marketplace, the games industry, decides what is competiting with what. I don't give a shit if you think that PCs should be considered in the same market as home consoles. This is NOT a matter of opinion. This is decided BY THE MARKET.
Quote:Sorry OB1, but of COURSE the PC is in competition with the consoles. Most people own consoles, not super beefed PCs, but for those with gaming quality machines, they often ARE pushed to buy a system because they can't get the PC version, or if the game is already on PC, they don't bother getting the console. Isn't that pretty much what defines competition in marketting?
Listen, I really don't care what the school may or may not say about this, because I have never been affected by a commercial, so I'm convinced marketting is gibberish for weak minded fools. The question is, under what real logic outside of "they were being honest about this, this isn't just a stunt" do you state that the PC market really is completely divorced from the console market? What can you say that gets me to ignore the many examples I've seen in forums, and personally, of people actually deciding where to put their money based on whether a game is available for PC or a console? It would have to be pretty compelling, that's all I have to say.
DJ, all three of you have no idea what you are even talking about. When I say "marketing" all you understand is "advertisement", which shows your utter ignorance towards this subject.