29th March 2005, 12:33 AM
Quote:What I remember is that I never suggested that TS2 would be better than Perfect Dark, and that I only ever said that it would be a worthy successor to the GE/PD legacy. Which it was. I did not need to expound upon that, to answer to you.
And yes you're right, it's a small, petty issue, one that your trolling instincts have made you turn it into a huge "debate".
I do NOT tolerate false accusations and will defend the truth, no matter how insignificant the matter may be.
Here's the point, OB1. DJ understood what you said to mean one thing. You meant it as something slightly different. Thus, when now DJ said you said what DJ remembers, you are annoyed because it's not what you originally meant. That's what happened.
As for some "trolling instinct", finding the actual proof -- and thus allowing the discussion to move from "I think you said this / no I didn't I said that" to "I said this. I meant this/I read that and thought you meant something slightly different" -- isn't exactly something a troll would do, you know... sure, I entered the debate wanting to prove you wrong... but now that we can look at the evidence, the truth, as usual, isn't so simple. DJ's got it just right here:
Quote:You said something that could have easily been taken to mean that, especially in context, and I mistook it to mean that. That's all that happened. Basically, we were BOTH right and BOTH wrong here. I was wrong in my interpretation, though right that you said something that, in the context, could be easily mistaken for it. You were right in that you didn't MEAN what I thought you said (but to me, it's close enough, I really don't care, you were right I guess).
Exactly. That's what happened. And when you look at the statements you made -- like the one DJ quotes there -- it's easy to understand how someone could misunderstand it to mean what DJ misunderstood it to mean. Public memories of what they think a speech meant is just as important as your memory of what it actualy meant, after all, and if those two conflict the speaker should try to correct the record... so yes, it's perfectly right here to want to correct someone when they say you said something you didn't. That's probably the right thing to do.
But the manner you do it in... again, as DJ correctly says...
Quote:Okay, now anyway, here's the thing. In the future, this WILL happen again. People ARE going to say you said something you didn't EXACTLY say, and you meant something else, but maybe you said something that could be taken that way. The only thing I request is that, WHEN it happens again, you don't take it so seriously. Don't assume a great injustice has been done. Can't you assume a misunderstanding? It doesn't need to be an extreme. All I'm saying is that you could merely say "maybe I said something that sounded like that, but either I didn't make myself entirely clear or you misunderstood me". That is how people deal with each other, politely and assuming misunderstanding to knowing slander.
Anyway... these are the facts I found. Those posts relevant to this debate. How do they affect your statements about TS2, DJ, now that you know better what OB1 meant? (to try to get the debate back to the issue it started on, after considering what we've learned here...)
Quote:Oh and just in case any of you were wondering what Matt and Fran think of TS 2, here you go:
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Matt responds: I have to tell you, TimeSplitters 2 is one of the best first-person shooters I have ever played for a home console. The biggest misconception about it, I think, is that it's not a deep game. That is totally false.
Myself, Fran and Cory -- Wave Birds in hands, played a couple more hours of the final GCN version last night, and it blew us all away again. It has a cooperative mode, for one, which is something I didn't know. You can play through the entire Story Mode with two players and the framerate holds up for the most part. If that weren't enough, it's got tons, as in dozens and dozens, of different multiplayer modes, from capture the flag to an option that enables the player performing the worst in a battle to be immediately assisted by his own team of killer monkeys, which take out opponents. Even selecting a character took several minutes as there are something like 75 different models to choose from, many of them awesome. It's ridiculously cool. We'll be detailing all of these modes soon and you will be surprised at how much has been packed into the game.
If you're asking me whether or not TS2 is going to be better than Bond of Die Hard, I don't know. I haven't put nearly enough time into those other games. But I can tell you that TimeSplitters 2 will receive a very, very good mark from us when it comes time to review it. It's one of the best games this year, and you'd be a fool to miss out on it. Seriously. It's GoldenEye times 10, with more options and a solid framerate. Another thing, too, is that it's very changed from the first TimeSplitters, which I didn't like. So if you're one of those gamers who thinks, "well, I played the first and hated it, so this sequel can't be that good," I beg you to reconsider.
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Told you so, DJ!
The only note I have for this one: What does the "told you so, DJ!" refer to? I can't find something obvious in this thread that it would be a response to... something in another thread, clearly, because DJ hadn't questioned the game in this thread. Oh well, the next few posts help explain it.
Quote:And I told you that phrase doesn't matter. I never once said it's going to suck, nor did I say it would be great. I said you might be right. Besides, I have yet to actually play the game and I don't care for IGN's opinion. They are a news site to me, not a review site. I've never cared for their reviews.
(DJ's response)
Quote:Dude, just about everyone who's played the demo has stated that they absolutely love it. You're just stupid.
OB1.
And in another thread, this comment.
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Sounds like a game for everyone who wanted a sequel to Perfect Dark.
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Johnny, Time Splitters 2 is the "sequel" to PD that everyone has been waiting for.
This is great news, though.
Just one last comment...
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Originally Posted by OB1
Hey if you want Perfect Dark 0 just wait for Time Splitters 2!
This is exactly what I said you said earlier. I later said that was just a paraphrase, something I should have said in THAT post.
Later I said the "PD killer" comment, but I never said you actually said it, just that that's what I took from it. Relax OB1, no one's attacking you here. Um, okay, I'M not attacking you here.
Probably shouldn't be posting that quote, DJ, given that there's no evidence that he said it. What you say there isn't quite the same as that last quote that actually is his. Even with an explanation, I don't think it really helps matters...