28th March 2005, 10:42 PM
OB1, I'd like to know something. You haven't given me a straight answer. Before I found that stuff, did you remember what you had said about TS2? You said 'I rememered' but gave no details... what DID you remember? All you said before I posted those links was "I absolutely did not say that TS2 is a PD killer". Which, true or not, dodges the actual question of 'what did you say and what did it imply about the games in question'. And don't dodge the question again this time! It's important.
I started by thinking DJ had a real quote of yours, but once DJ admitted that that wasn't a real quote, it was just a paraphrase of what he remembered, instead of saying "DJ is definitely right anyway" (or "DJ is definitely wrong, then"), I went to find what was actually said. And I found some things. Not quite what DJ said and not quite what you said, but things...
Anyway... what, exactly, do you want me to admit? To something I've never said? That'd be absurd! Once I learned DJ hadn't been quoting you, I never said "DJ is definitely and completely right: You said that TS2 is better than PD". I just didn't say "DJ is completely wrong", and that got you mad... but there's an important, and huge, distinction there that you are refusing to see. As far as we know, you're right about the precise wording of what was said about TS2. That is a fact.
But think about it, OB1. Which question is more important:
"Did OB1 essentially say "Timesplitters 2 is going to be better than Perfect Dark" or
"Timesplitters 2 will be great, but probably not quite as good as Perfect Dark"?
Or... "Is Timesplitters 2 as good as Perfect Dark?" "By what degree in the direction chosen?"
DJ tried to ask the second question, saying he'd been led to believe that it was as good as PD but disagreed, and you took up the first question as the issue. It's a small, petty issue that really doesn't matter much at all. So as I said... sure, you're right, you didn't say what DJ originally remembered. What you did say could easily have led DJ to believe exactly that (it's not like the posts I found were paragraphs-long posts carefully explaining your positions, after all... there is plenty of room in them for interpretation by each person who reads them.). So even without actually saying it, DJ still could have gotten the impression that you -- or more importantly, a lot of people (remember, it was IGN that had the "ten times better than Goldeneye" quote!) -- thought it. And what others think you mean is just as important as what you actually mean is.
I started by thinking DJ had a real quote of yours, but once DJ admitted that that wasn't a real quote, it was just a paraphrase of what he remembered, instead of saying "DJ is definitely right anyway" (or "DJ is definitely wrong, then"), I went to find what was actually said. And I found some things. Not quite what DJ said and not quite what you said, but things...
Anyway... what, exactly, do you want me to admit? To something I've never said? That'd be absurd! Once I learned DJ hadn't been quoting you, I never said "DJ is definitely and completely right: You said that TS2 is better than PD". I just didn't say "DJ is completely wrong", and that got you mad... but there's an important, and huge, distinction there that you are refusing to see. As far as we know, you're right about the precise wording of what was said about TS2. That is a fact.
But think about it, OB1. Which question is more important:
"Did OB1 essentially say "Timesplitters 2 is going to be better than Perfect Dark" or
"Timesplitters 2 will be great, but probably not quite as good as Perfect Dark"?
Or... "Is Timesplitters 2 as good as Perfect Dark?" "By what degree in the direction chosen?"
DJ tried to ask the second question, saying he'd been led to believe that it was as good as PD but disagreed, and you took up the first question as the issue. It's a small, petty issue that really doesn't matter much at all. So as I said... sure, you're right, you didn't say what DJ originally remembered. What you did say could easily have led DJ to believe exactly that (it's not like the posts I found were paragraphs-long posts carefully explaining your positions, after all... there is plenty of room in them for interpretation by each person who reads them.). So even without actually saying it, DJ still could have gotten the impression that you -- or more importantly, a lot of people (remember, it was IGN that had the "ten times better than Goldeneye" quote!) -- thought it. And what others think you mean is just as important as what you actually mean is.