The stupid debate that ABF made even stupider thread

[A Black Falcon]

You are probably the most hypocritical person I know, OB1. Pretty much everything you accuse me of are things you are guilty of yourself... you only don't admit it because you refuse to see reality. And the miniscule bits of reality that you admit exist you pretend aren't problems. It's awful and it makes you insufferable to talk to and you seem to be the only person who doesn't know it.

Often, you don't talk about the actual subject. You talk about other, possibly related subjects and then try to twist it so that that is sufficient to prove the other person wrong on all counts. Such tactics only work to convince you that you are right, OB1... not to convince others. You don't win discussions by talking about other things and then insulting the other person until they leave.

So either address THIS or go away. Because this is the point, not an argument about whether books or movies are better (I've said all along that I like both formats and that when they are good film can be as good as books so I don't see where the huge problem is... but that's not the point...)...

this discussion is here because Weltall said more people should read, which is true, and that most people prefer mind-not-required media like television, which is also true. Your counter-argument is that movies can be like that too. Sometimes they can, in most all respects (the 'imagination' argument is an essentially unrelated issue), but that point really doesn't matter here! Not much in the TV/movie media form USES that potential and most consumers don't WANT it to because that actually would require some thought. Books, by virtue of being a more challenging media form to consume (it is harder to read than it is to watch.), have a smaller base audience which already is predetermined to at least somewhat want more depth so there would probably be a greater proportion of people who want even more complexity than that.

Oh yeah, and many of them are probably people who would also like complex films if they watched them, I'd bet.

What I really don't understand is how you take a statement that says 'people watch too much stupid television shows and don't read enough' and turn it into 'you think that books are better than tv but that's not true and movies are at least as good'... perhaps that's a subtext, but it's not the stated point. Why couldn't you just say 'sure, but they also should be watching intelligent movies because those are just as good as books'? Oh right, I know, you can't handle real discussions that aren't done in the form of a shouting match...