Haha, ABF gets a taste of his own medicine

[A Black Falcon]

I believe OB1 was insulting Arena and Daggerfall which, from what you've said about them, don't really sound like they're really all that great.

They are very similar to the third game, all accounts agree, just not as technically advanced and without the fully unique terrain... but whatever, we went over this already.

They're not the same, but they're about as bad as each other. You constantly try to criticize games without having played them (morrowind, mgs3). Playing previous games in the series most certainly does not make it any better! Especially when there's such a huge difference between them. You're a much bigger fool than GR is.

When the series doesn't change too dramatically playing past games definitely counts for something. Like, since GR has said that he actually has played Civilization some that means I should give some more credence to his opinion... not fully because he hasn't played the really good games in the series (like I said, think of it like SimCity 1 vs the second game), but definitely some.

Actually, no. I played the first game, it wasn't that great. The second game and the fourth though were exceedingly awesome games which I put HUNDREDS of hours into.

I thought SimCity was a great game... we had it well before the second game came out of course so at the time it didn't have a better competitor in the genre. It's just like the later games, but with less variety... but it is a great game. It had some funny stuff too like that when you had too much pollution the monster that would attack looked like Godzilla (as opposed to the UFO)... :) Now, SimCity struggles when compared to the second game, but that is usually true with any major PC series that spans that amount of time. And the original SimCity definitely has a place in gaming history.

As for how that relates to Civilization... hmm, I don't know... I haven't played the original Civilization in probably eight years at least, and even then it wasn't all that much. I remember that I liked it, but that various things made me like Civ II a LOT more (units have hit points, for instance)...