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    15th November 2004, 12:13 PM
    Quote:I've already explained this in depth. Both can influence games but since games are a visual medium only movies can be recreated in them.

    But whenever a game comes out that is too non-interactive, like a movie, it gets greatly criticized... yes, games probably have been more directly similar to movies. But when that happens the game gets hammered for it. As for books, they can have a great influence in how the game goes, just like movies do for most games...

    Quote:KOTOR has an insane amount of recorded dialogue in it, and the acting is done well for a video game.

    I'd have to know the exact amounts of speech in other adventure and RPG games to know the exact quantities, however. KotOR certainly has a lot, but so do other games... adventure games and RPGs often have lots of speech and when it's all voiced it can be quite a bit. But I don't know exactly how much speech was in, say, The Longest Journey...

    Quote:Most of the story in BG is told through boring conversations with NPCs and scrolls and crap. That's not good storytelling, as hard as you try to convince yourself otherwise.

    Oh right, that arguement. Uh, scrolls? How much of the actual main story is told in scrolls? Oh yeah, almost none. The main purpose of books in the BG games is not to tell the main story or anything relating to the main story but to tell tales about the Realms. As I've said before, that aspect of the game is there for people who want to read more about the Realms, but has no direct or indirect impact on the main game story.

    What does then? The (very few) scrolls you run into that explain story elements, generally as part of a puzzle. Fine, those are story-scrolls. But they also are usually there as clue elements in puzzles, so they serve other purposes as well...

    And as for conversations, complaining about that is just incredibly stupid. If you dislike conversations, don't say that BG has bad storytelling. Say that you dislike its storytelling method. Because telling a story via conversations is a just fine way of doing it. Okay, if it's a game like The Longest Journey with frequent extremely long conversations I could see how you could say that you felt they were boring, but Baldur's Gate? They aren't particularly long or anything so I see nothing to complain about for anyone with the remotest intrest in games having stories.

    Oh yeah, and KotOR is identically designed in storytelling terms except for the addition of speech. The differences other than that are minor and don't greatly affect the tone of the storytelling in the game.
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    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Private Hudson - 7th November 2004, 4:11 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 7th November 2004, 4:24 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 7th November 2004, 6:48 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by The Former DMiller - 7th November 2004, 7:19 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 7th November 2004, 7:41 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Smoke - 7th November 2004, 10:44 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 8th November 2004, 11:22 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 8th November 2004, 12:26 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 8th November 2004, 1:45 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 8th November 2004, 2:01 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 8th November 2004, 2:14 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 8th November 2004, 3:10 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 8th November 2004, 3:13 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 8th November 2004, 3:36 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 8th November 2004, 3:55 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 8th November 2004, 6:28 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Private Hudson - 9th November 2004, 7:49 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by The Former DMiller - 9th November 2004, 7:54 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 9th November 2004, 11:18 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 9th November 2004, 12:11 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 9th November 2004, 1:10 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 9th November 2004, 1:16 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 9th November 2004, 2:41 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 9th November 2004, 3:26 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 9th November 2004, 6:34 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 9th November 2004, 6:42 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 9th November 2004, 6:51 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 9th November 2004, 6:57 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 9th November 2004, 6:59 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 9th November 2004, 7:03 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 9th November 2004, 7:05 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 9th November 2004, 7:07 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 9th November 2004, 7:17 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 9th November 2004, 7:21 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by EdenMaster - 9th November 2004, 8:29 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 10th November 2004, 9:56 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 10th November 2004, 1:41 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 10th November 2004, 2:03 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 10th November 2004, 2:17 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 10th November 2004, 2:23 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 10th November 2004, 6:32 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 10th November 2004, 6:45 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Private Hudson - 10th November 2004, 7:19 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by EdenMaster - 10th November 2004, 9:57 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 11th November 2004, 7:23 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 11:02 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 11th November 2004, 12:25 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 12:48 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 11th November 2004, 1:03 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 1:12 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 11th November 2004, 1:25 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 1:32 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 11th November 2004, 1:35 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 1:36 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 11th November 2004, 1:39 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 1:41 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 11th November 2004, 1:48 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 11th November 2004, 1:49 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 1:54 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 11th November 2004, 1:57 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 11th November 2004, 1:59 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 2:03 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 11th November 2004, 2:06 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 2:07 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 11th November 2004, 2:09 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 2:11 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 11th November 2004, 2:15 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 2:19 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 11th November 2004, 2:32 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 2:56 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 11th November 2004, 3:02 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Private Hudson - 11th November 2004, 5:06 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Private Hudson - 11th November 2004, 5:09 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 11th November 2004, 5:38 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 11th November 2004, 6:11 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Private Hudson - 12th November 2004, 6:46 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 12th November 2004, 2:45 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 12th November 2004, 3:07 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Private Hudson - 13th November 2004, 6:12 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 13th November 2004, 9:44 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 13th November 2004, 2:00 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 14th November 2004, 9:39 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 14th November 2004, 11:25 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 14th November 2004, 11:55 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 14th November 2004, 1:03 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 14th November 2004, 1:04 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 14th November 2004, 1:10 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 14th November 2004, 5:38 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 14th November 2004, 5:59 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 15th November 2004, 9:46 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 15th November 2004, 10:39 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 15th November 2004, 11:28 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 15th November 2004, 12:13 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 15th November 2004, 1:33 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 15th November 2004, 1:40 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 15th November 2004, 2:16 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 15th November 2004, 2:40 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 15th November 2004, 3:26 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 15th November 2004, 5:13 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 15th November 2004, 6:12 PM
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    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 16th November 2004, 12:07 PM
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    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 16th November 2004, 2:03 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 16th November 2004, 2:38 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 16th November 2004, 2:56 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 16th November 2004, 4:07 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 16th November 2004, 4:10 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 16th November 2004, 4:14 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 16th November 2004, 4:19 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 16th November 2004, 4:30 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 16th November 2004, 4:35 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Great Rumbler - 16th November 2004, 4:42 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 16th November 2004, 6:35 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 17th November 2004, 10:04 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 17th November 2004, 10:32 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 17th November 2004, 12:45 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 17th November 2004, 1:20 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 17th November 2004, 1:32 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 17th November 2004, 1:44 PM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 17th November 2004, 2:23 PM
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    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by Private Hudson - 17th November 2004, 4:27 PM
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    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 18th November 2004, 1:44 PM
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    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 18th November 2004, 4:32 PM
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    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by OB1 - 19th November 2004, 9:46 AM
    EGM scores. Some pretty big games. - by A Black Falcon - 19th November 2004, 12:03 PM

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