EGM scores. Some pretty big games.

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I do not see how putting books into games is any worse than putting movies into games. Not in the least. If the story it tells is good, I have no problem with it really... especially if it's presented in a good manner (and/or made optional, preferably and)...

Gee I dunno... maybe it's because video games are a visual medium? Hmmm...

It's also frusterating that you've never played 75% of the examples I mention when we talk about this you know, makes it really hard to get anywhere...but there is no way I'd agree that putting books into games is bad. And anyway, it generally isn't like Prime where it is just text... most cases of book-styled stories in games have some kind of images as well. Not always, but usually.

I've played a lot of the games you mentioned, more than enough.

Well, the whole notion of a true AI having the capability to fully control.. whatever. Then going haywire.

Subtle reference to 2001: ASO -- HAL Emmerich, HAL was the name of the computer in 2001 which featured true AI. It was also, strangely, the most well developed character in the whole novel/movie.

A little more blatant -- When the computer in 2001 starts malfunctioning shortly before 'death' starts spouting out random insanity such as "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. The rain in Spain is mainly in the plain". Seem a bit like in MGS when the AI starts malfunctioning? Just not quite as funny.

Also, and probably more profoundly, the whole notion of human evolution seems to be the main themes of the games/movie/novel.

Perhaps I shouldn't have said it was derivitive, as it's more likely been inspired by, and thus it makes sure to make plenty of references to 2001.

Good points, though I think you may be stretching a bit on some of them. But I'm certain Kojima is a fan of 2001.

Oh, and I just wanted to say one more thing. I haven't really kept up with the rest of this thread and don't have time right now, but I really love in MGS2 how there's this huge 'imitation' novel to read through which details the whole first game (and more) from a completely different perspective.

This would kind of be the equivilent of MGS2's 'optional' storyline, on par with Metroid as it tells more so on how the current situation came to be.

You know, I never actually went through all of that. But I'm gonna replay through MGS2 before I get MGS3, so maybe I'll have time to read it. Can I get a transcript online?