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    6th November 2004, 9:59 PM
    EdenMaster Wrote:Okay, but let me revive your metaphor for the acceptance of blacks. The majority of the people all those years ago wanted nothing to do with racial equality. Black were not equal, they were inferior. However their acceptance did not happen simply due to a change in generations. Things change when people push the envelope. Things like the first school in Alabama accepting black students (forget the name, Green-something right?), Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat, Martin Luther King's speech, and other such events lead to the eventual acceptance of blacks that we have today.

    I think the people fighting for gay marraige know that if nothing happens, nothing will change. They need to push things forward a bit every so often. I agree that for the most part, gay marriage is still not accepted and that will likely not change for some time, but baby steps are the way to go for these people. Eventually, they'll be accepted. I agree with you on that.

    My problem with the whole thing is why it's such a controversial subject. I see no possible way that it can harm society or the world by letting two people who love one another get hitched, regardless of their genders.

    It's not all about what people want either. How many American people do you think "wanted" to go to war with Iraq?

    I agree that blacks would have gotten nowhere by merely waiting for change. The point, however, is that they made the greatest efforts when people were most receptive to their plight. Had the exact same events of the civil rights movement occurred a generation earlier, not a damn thing would have been accomplished, for people were simply less tolerant. The leaders of the civil rights movement very wisely probed the political climate of the time and they correctly felt that the time was right for a serious push for equality.

    Plus, I can't really equate the plight of blacks to gays, because I still firmly believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle and not a physical condition, and I will continue to believe this as long as there remains to be an absence of any sort of solid scientific data proving it is some sort of biological abnormality. Furthermore, I don't know why people think getting married is a 'right'. I can't honestly remember anything in the US Constitution mandating marriage, and, there are plenty of limits on it, even for straight people. And, of course, what is to stop a person from claiming biology makes them want to marry a child, or multiple people, or their dog? I believe marriage should be man and woman because that is how correct biology works. Choices in life have consequences, and if you desire to live differently from the accepted norm, you have to accept the fact that you can't do things in a radically different way and expect to get the same benefits people who play by the rules get.

    My decision is not out of hatred or fear for gay people, because I hate very few people and I fear only people who are dangerous, and for the most part, I like to judge a person by their personal merits. I feel that I choose not to be gay, I also feel that I could be gay if I decided I wanted to be. I don't think there's a single aspect of my physical biology that prevents me from engaging in homosexuality. I do not believe my genes influence any decisions I make, and I know I choose to be a heterosexual man. And I know that people who are not choose not to be, even though few will ever admit it, because their political cause will dissolve.

    You can call it intolerance if you wish, I don't really care. I call it taking personal responsibility, and I think that I not only believe in it, but apply it to my own life, is why my life is more stable than most people my age.
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