Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Weltall]

Weltall your points are completely ridiculous as they completely ignore every point that myself and ABF have laid forth over the years. This is just getting annoying now, making us repeat ourselves over and over.

Well, you CAN just stop anytime you want!

Palpatine has far greater motives for doing what he did than any Star Trek movie villain has. There's the revenge part that ABF is talking about, but that's something you'll learn more about in Episode III (among other things).

Yes, I keep seeing that line from you, but it is meaningless to me, because regardless of whether YOU know any hidden motives, I sure as hell don't, because they don't appear in any of the movies. And revenge? It's a very, very broad and impersonal revenge, nowhere near as compelling as the very personal hatred Khan feels for Kirk, and it's silly to suggest otherwise.

But there's also the Hitler comparison, where he manipulated a people to basically hand over power to him because he seemed exactly what they needed. And when he did finally gain power he did in fact fix many of the problems with the Republic, much like Hitler did with Germany, and again like Hitler at the cost of freedom and democracy. And you get all of that information with very little screen presence across five movies, if you actually pay attention (which you apparently did not). And much, much more will be explained in Episode III.

That he rose to power in a creative way does not make him a deep villain. It's more interesting than the average "he conquered with brute force" idea, but it doesn't in any way add depth to Palpatine's character. We know his methods, what we don't know is his reasons. So far, he has none.

WOAH, you mean a real-life historical figure is a more complex human being with more complex motives than a fictional fairy tale villain??!! That's INSANE!!!

No, I said that Hitler was a more complex VILLAIN. There are many fake villains who are nowhere near as interesting, and yet there are some that have motivations far deeper and more stringent than Hitler did. Great figures in history like Ghengis Khan and Atilla the Hun were voracious conquerers, inspiring countless villains of fiction, and were terrible foes, but they had very base motives: Greed. They are interesting in their methods and in their successes, but they only conquered for the sake of conquering. What makes those men interesting is that we know details of their lives, their quirks, their mannerisms and such. With Palpatine, we know nothing of these.

Statements like that are why it doesn't surprise me you'd drown in the shallow pool here.