The "yet another thread ruined by ABF" Thread

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You just can't understand what I am trying to say. You obviously have no comprehension whatsoever of my point, and if that much explanation doesn't do it nothing will. Again your reading comprehension "abilities" show themselves... to be nearly nonexistant.

KotOR. You've never cared that you can't move while paused? Never gotten hit while moving to a new place and then selecting your attack? Never had issues with trying to move and give commands at the same time? Never complained about how it takes more steps to go through your inventory or equip things? Have no problem with the fact that you can't target enemies beyond a certain range? Never been annoyed by having to move characters around the corner and into the fight, while your other person is offscreen and invisible (only visible by their healthbar at the bottom of the screen)? Never had a fight where enemies came up to you on a blind side and attacked? Never were irritated by how you have to scroll through your list of attacks instead of having them out in a row of buttons to choose from? Et cetera.

As a matter of fact, no. Just like no one else beside you have problems with the Metroid games. You just plain suck, ABF.

I'd also mention the simplified rules (in detail), but it's clear that you don't consider that a problem so I won't.

And as usual you pull out one short segment... I love how you ignore 95% of my points in every post...
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I don't ignore them, I just don't feel like responding to every single one of your ridiculous posts. It's like trying to catch up with everything Hitler said when you only have the time and patience to respond to a few things. Jews are evil, whites are the supreme race, etc. I can respond to that, but when it comes to other specific races and ideas being evil, I just don't have the time, you know what I mean?

Can you remember what my biggest complaint about Pikmin was? Yeah, that it was far too simplistic. I think it'd have been a MUCH better game if it had been more complex. It's too simple. There are many, many great strategy games out there, most all on PC, and that isn't one of them. Not an awful game, but far too simplistic...

Anyway, KotOR has a more complex CONTROL SCHEME than BGII. Just mouse and spacebar vs. a bunch of keyboard keys. What it has is a simpler INTERFACE. Can you recognize the difference there?

You clearly hate complex interfaces. They don't usually bother me. Now, wargames often do get overly complicated, and that's not my favorite genre. But BG? No, I will never even come CLOSE to agreeing with you that it has a complex interface. It doesn't. Actually, it has a nicely streamlined one that lets you do anything you could want to with a minimum of fuss... there are a great many games with more complex interfaces out there. BG's is decidedly average for the genre. Not overly complex, but not overly simplified either... I think the Infinity Engine interface is fantastic. Easily my favorite RPG interface, and definitely one of the easiest to use, when you consider how complex the ruleset it is implementing is.

Oh, sure, there can be bad complexity. BG just isn't even close enough to that to consider it as a possibility, in my opinion.

Pikmin is great and you are dumb, but let's not get into that right now. My POINT (something you never ever seem to grasp) was that the controls in the game would (on the PC) be extremely convoluted, but Nintendo was able to make it extremely simple while still being as effective as it ever could be. You're missing the point again, stupid!

But PC does have many action games with third-person viewpoints. Jedi Knight 1/2/3, Heretic 2, Giants: Citizen Kabuto (though that's part strategy game...), and plenty of others... what's lacking are the action-platformers, not the third person action titles. Yes, most of them either are console ports or control a lot like FPSes. But the change in perspective really changes how you play the game and console ports are PC games too.

Each and every one of those games you mentioned control exactly like a FPS, fool!

*sigh*

So, sooo dumb...

...Um, don't you like Gran Turismo...

PC racing sims, the kinds that PCs have more than consoles.

As you already know I won't agree with that. When the control scheme is worked on for a decent amount of time console titles can come over to PC just fine. I should know, I have quite a few of them... Rayman 1, 2, and 3, Driver, Extreme-G 2, Puzzle Fighter, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Giants, Rogue Squadron, Centipede, Mega Man X, X4, and X5, Future Cop LAPD, MDK2, etc... all of those work just fine on PC... yes, a couple have issues. And a few more are not as good without a gamepad. But sometimes games require add-ons to be more fun... it's the same on consoles you know.

As I said, console games translate better to PC than PC games do to consoles.

Every PC genre has been ported over to consoles, you dolt, but only a couple of console genres that only somewhat work on PCs have been ported over. You will never see a game like Mark of Kri, Devil May Cry, Virtua Fighter, Zelda, or Castlevania done on the PC because it's NOT POSSIBLE TO DO IT WELL. The PC is home to three or four original genres that can be done at least pretty well on consoles, but the reverse is not true. THAT is a fact and if you deny that then I refuse to waste any more time with someone of such incredible ignorance.

And joysticks open up a large genre to PC developers. Gamepad-intensive games could go that way, but those can work better on keyboard (though generally it can be not too much fun for a bunch of console-oriented titles) than sims could so they don't bother.

Joysticks work well for ONE genre. ONE genre.

No? Wouldn't the one in Microsoft's default joystick drivers count? I mean I don't know the programming, but I know that in the joystick device properties area you can make generic gamepads with up to 4 buttons and 3 or 4 axes... that suggests some kind of standard.

And BG&E was most certainly laziness. Like Oni. There is absolutely no excuse. Almost all console ports support gamepads/joysticks, after all! I have a lot of PC games that also came out on consoles and it's only a small few that don't support gamepads... that suggests something other than 'it wasn't worth their time'. Either sheer laziness or they honestly thought that the keyboard scheme worked better. And it generally isn't the latter (though that was the case, most probably, in Oni).

It's good to know that you know so much about developing games for the PC and can confidently say as a matter of fact that the hard-working developers at Ubi Soft were simply TOO LAZY to include analog support. Since you're so smart maybe you could help them next time.

Like Rayman 1? Yes, console port, but it proves that it can be done, and well... though of course I'd definitely say that the Keen games involve lots of platforming. As do plenty of other shareware platformers. Maybe not as fast paced, but they most certainly are full of platform action. If you disagree I question if you have played many.

As for using keyboard, it works fine if you only have to use two or three buttons regularly. Much more and gamepads really show how much better they are.

Please, the Keen games are barely even platformers. Platformers have complex platform jumping. Keen does not have that very important aspect. And it's not about how many buttons there are, it's about the positioning of your digits.

*sigh*

So, so dumb.

Hmm, then why is it that I hear some PC developers complaining about how limiting console controllers are? Oh yeah, maybe because PC controls are good at some things too...

For the only types of games that could be done of them, stupid! WOW you are one stupid mofo!
And those PC developers complain when they try to port over games that were made with convoluted controls and are not talented enough to make them work efficiently. An example of a PC developer that is talented enough is Ion Storm, who very successfully ported over Deus Ex to the PS2, one of the most complex FPS/RPGs out there. And the controls worked amazingly well (except for the analog sensitivity and the fact that you couldn't switch the stick movements), a hundred times more efficient and clever than the PC controls.

as for 'designed around game ideas', that's not true and you know it. Oh, some controllers were originally designed around a game idea. But after that... well, let's just say that it works the other way around. Games are designed around the controllers.

Oh... oh you are absolutely right, what the hell was I thinking?? It's not like the N64 controller was designed for specific 3D gameplay ideas like Mario and Zelda... gosh no, that's not what happened. And the DS wasn't designed with new gameplay ideas in mind either, heavens no.

Yup, like usual you are totally right. What was I thinking??!!?