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    20th May 2004, 8:10 PM
    Well, I had a hard time translating that, but I see your point there. Also, that was frickin' hilarious!

    One thing, I was saying "you" as though you were Link, not the uncle. Link himself doesn't need to have any brothers or sisters. His mother, OR father, whichever, just needs to have a brother. So, Link can easily be an only child even though he has an uncle. THIS AIN'T NO KINDERGARDEN STUFF G! Nuts, I said it, and you WANTED me to do it, and you did that specifically for the purpose of making me do it! Shut up!

    Anyway, my thoughts on Jabu Jabu were more along the lines of Jabu Jabu having left, not having been killed, and had a decendant who later returned to the flooded world. Consider my viewpoint and it makes sense. That viewpoint being that the people on the islands are the decendants of everyone from old Hyrule. That comes from me thinking, as the text led me to believe, that only SOME of hyrule was stored in a time bubble, and the rest was really and truly flooded.

    Anyway, it's clear you really want to go with this theory, so I won't really argue it with you. I have my ideas on what's going on, and you have yours. Just keep in mind those problems I found with it.

    Also, it's funny you cranked up the music there, because I was playing some music myself but had to shut it off so I could think straight. It kept distracting me.



    Here's one note, not about our conflicting interpretations of things, but a whole other kettle of man-fish (all I said was those freaky fish were certainly not what they were talking about when they said it was a fishless sea ya know). That Tower of the Gods. That thing is completely and totally cool, but it also raises some interesting questions. I mean, the thing comes out, and you see this circuitry stuff on it glowing like all the ancient structures that come out of the sea in Megaman Legends, which were in fact ancient robots filled with robots. As you go through it, you face standard wizrobes and slimes, and eventually face off against a good ol' fasioned fantasy boss monster, the giant holy robot of the gods. Now, at first I thought it was circuitry but circuits for magic, but then I accidently fell into a big pit of exposed circuits and electrocuted myself, thus pretty much proving to myself, nope, it's a giant super futuristic computer that the gods created, because, you know, they are all smart. Force field bridges and robot servants and a big ol' robot guardian complete with computery sound effects. So, where did all that tech come from? As I said above, I'm thinking the gods created it. I highly doubt that the people at any time between OOT and the tech collapse during the flood managed to get to that level. If they did, I think it would look something like this:

    Setting: *located in high tech lab in city full of flying cars and floating buildings*

    Hyrule Scientist: Fellow scientists, we have finally found a way to convert our entire society into pure energy!

    Other scientists: Hurray!

    One other scientist: Wait a moment, first I would like to show you all a new beverage I invented.

    First scientist: Hmm *reads label* Wisky? Alright... *drinks*

    Civilization: *explodes*

    There's that idea, or there's the one where the gods created it as an automated testing grounds, which is what it is. Why make it be a large magical computer full of magical robots? Well, it looks cool.
    "On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." ~ Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
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