Let's All Hate Lucasarts Day to become Let's All Hate Lucasarts, Period?

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Every game that has ever used WASD and the mouse to look has some noticable similarities, as several reviews of the PC versions say!

So it controls like a FPS?

Um... NOPE! You don't strafe and move with WASD.

So then it must control like an RTS?

NOPE again!

Yeah, you're right about this one!

*sigh*

Just because it used a keyboard does not mean that it controls anything like any other PC game.

You have analog look, and as for movement, it's not a big deal, especially with both a 'faster' and a 'slower' modifier... though I don't use them much. Except for running to get places faster.

You can't even control the camera well! The camera was not meant for a mouse. I can't believe you're defending the controls. Such low standards you have...

True... and as I said the combat is fun enough that I don't feel like it's bad or anything. It's fine. But it could have been more complex or challenging...

Which wouldn't have made it much better since combat isn't very important.

No, and I'm sure more story is coming (including some I won't expect, I hope), but it doesn't look like there's going to be some huge plot twist... oh little things sure but the overall story was obvious from the start. That's normal in games, true, but if you're going on story as a major game aspect I'd expect more complexity...

You're right that complexity doesn't mean better storytelling, though. And on that respect the game does do very well. But it's still simpler than I would prefer. And, as the IGN review says, heavy-handed in its message at times, for sure.

Oh yeah, and simplistic! I mean, in a true military dictatorship would they allow people to openly protest in the streets? And the rebel group sure lets you into their secret hideout quickly and which a bare minimum, as far as we can tell, of checking to see if you are who you say you are... it tells a good story but then these things come and say 'this isn't using the storytelling to be as complex as it could be', and it still works but as I said is a missed opportunity.

Oh, and before you again say how I like games with minimal stories as I said I like both kinds. And a good story is always a plus. Story can make a otherwise mediocre game good... or a good game great...

Good grief, you haven't even finished the game! Your questions will be answered if you actually BEAT it. :screwy:

You said it yourself, 'just not quite as easy'... fine you don't want it fully realistic in a game like this, but it could be a whole lot more. *thinks, for instance, of Thief... (of an example of 'a whole lot more', but more than I could possibly hope from this game)*

Oh right, you're comparing the stealth in a game that has only a few moments of stealth to a game that's ALL about stealth. Why dont't you complain about how the racing sections aren't as good as F-Zero, either, and that the flying parts aren't as good as Star Fox.

Sure. But DO you? No! You forget sometimes, and go back quite a ways! With this that never happens. See my point?

Yes, your point is that you're too forgetful to press "F5". Amazing.

Wow, that's a ... strong statement... and quite biased. You take what they say and move it to a very strong statement that wasn't intended. Yes, that IGN article says that it's awkward and stuff, but they don't say that it's terrible and unplayable, or that it reflects horribly on the game! And they say you get used to it. That isn't quite the condemnation you have here.

Biased? Please, I play as many PC games as I do console ones. BG&E isn't unplayable with its shitty controls, but compared to the console versions it is amazingly bad.

No action-adventure games on the PC? Umm... you'd better explain what you meant, and fast, because it sounds like sheer insanity to me at least!

No Zelda-type games. Name one aside from BG&E.

Gamepad vs Keyboard/Mouse? Depends on the genre. For a FPS keyboard/mouse is a million times better. For a platformer or 3d action/adventure? Gamepad probably is better, yes. But oh-so-dramatically-that-it-overwhelms-all? No, I doubt it very much.

You can actually play a FPS very well on a console and there are actually great advantages to using a dual-analog controller in a FPS, while playing a game like BG&E on a PC has NO advantages whatsoever and plays absolutely terribly. Your extreme bias amazes me. It is obvious to me that you have very little regard for good controls.

The worst complaint I can think of is that they're a bit irritating at times because they clearly just mapped the gamepad to PC controls instead of fully redoing it for the best setup on a mouse (mouse especially, the keyboard portion is as good as you could expect)... as I said, with the axes. But that's an issue you get used to quickly.

There is no way BG&E could play well with a kb&m unless they made it play like Max Payne, and even then it would be bad.

Oh, have you played the PC version?

Of course I have, I wouldn't be debating this with you if I had not. You see, unlike you I do not argue something without anything to back it up, or without fully understanding why I believe that way.