13th February 2004, 3:30 PM
A Black Falcon Wrote:As I said, poor Southern whites felt like that, except probably stronger so...
I don't know what they felt like. I didn't see the movie!
Quote: Communism as implemented isn't communism, it's more like dictatorship or facism. Communism as Marx says is (as I have said many times) the perfect government if people were perfect. We are very imperfect so it is a failure in actual practice, and always will be. It'd only work if people would all work hard no matter if they got rewarded for working harder or not...
Even as Marx said it, even if it was practiced as it were preached, it is not perfect, right or fair... unless everyone did the exact same job.
Quote: Right, because all liberals are gay...
And all the white people helping in the Civil Rights movement were actually black people in disguise too.
It was a yes/no question.
Quote: You might have a point if there were not significant legal and monetary benefits for having their union recognized.
That's exactly my point. Gay people are not exempt from marriage benefits. The catch is they have to go through the same process everyone else does in order to obtain them. It's not as though they have to do something extra, or that they are unavailable to them.
Quote: Meaningless? As I said, you don't care about fairness so my arguement will go right over your head...
The only way it could be fair is if they were all bisexual. :)
I don't get what's 'unfair' about a mutually-agreed, consensual relationship. If two women are willing to share one man, it's only unfair numerically.
Quote: I just think you're wrong... why would homosexuals seperate any more than heterosexuals? That doesn't make sense...
That isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying that there would be just as many, though more at first, because you and I both know that if every state magically decided to start allowing gay marriages, there would be many such marriages done on complete whim, and, as the saying goes, "the young marry in haste and repent in leisure.", only now they don't repent, they divorce.
Quote: That it's not unnatural or uncommon. And that penguins don't choose to be gay so people don't either.
How on earth does one know if penguins are making conscious decisions?
Quote: Individual rights and freedoms are more important than keeping everyone the same... within bounds of course, plenty of things should obviously be illegal (and some legal things should be illegal), but forced compliance to things that are not good for the individuals and don't hurt society are things we should (and have been, steadily, throughout our history -- see how we slowly expanded voter rolls...) change.
Except, over time, they do harm society. The drug-addled liberal philosophies of the 1960's are quite responsible for a lot of the mess we are in today.
Quote: First, in some parts of the world nudity is taken a whole lot seriously than we take it... see Europe... so yes, that is a societal thing. If that Janet Jackson thing had been in Europe it probably would have been unnoticed. They seem amused (or surprised) that we take it so seriously... but that is beyond public nudity... it is not something you do in public, anywhere. Decency/decorum means something...
As I said, it's not like I want to get rid of all of these limitations you like so much, just the ones that don't make sense...
Then that's where the difference lies. Both make sense to me.
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