13th February 2004, 6:53 AM
A Black Falcon Wrote:You don't have any good reasons why homosexuality is fundamentally different.
Seven thousand years of society disagrees. Not to mention, the whole reproductive aspect which is the only reason the concept of sexuality even exists.
Quote: The ACLU is nonpartisan. And I don't tell you to stop believing what you believe... or to not go to church... that's what you are doing with homosexuals...
I'm not telling gays to stop being gay. I'm just saying they shouldn't bitch about not having the same rights since they choose to live the lifestyle they live.
Quote: You don't seem to know your history very well... I guess you missed the movie "Gangs of New York"?
I did not see "Gangs", however, I do know it is based on the New York Draft riots, and what that has to do with Confederate soldiers, I don't know.
Quote:What's right usually is what's fair. Fair is the goal. It's probably impossible to reach, but we should try as hard as we can to get there.
Not necessarily. Communism is fair, for instance. It's also quite wrong.
Quote: You are ignoring what I am saying. It is unfair for the wives in a polygamous relationship. Marriage is an equal partnership and two or more women is inequality. There is nothing like that for homosexuality.
Polygamous marriage is consensual, therefore numerical inequality is meaningless, and, because of that, by your logic those who are willing to go through with that ought to have that right. After all, it makes them happy, and according to you, that's reason enough to let gays marry.
It's amazing how you don't see where that goes. Gays get the right to marry, suddenly every other deviant sex groupie wants the same rights, and would have the same legal basis to try and obtain it. Thus, before we know it, people are marrying their cousins, "because it makes them happy and hurts no one."
Quote: It would make it smaller or stay the same. Sure, divorces would rise, but that's just because now it doesn't take a divorce for a homosexual couple to seperate... the fact that it would would probably keep more of them together. So the overall rate would fall even if the numbers rise some.
I doubt it. If gay marriage were legalized, there would undoubtedly be a large number of them at once, many of them likely unplanned, and doomed to failure.
If gay marriage happened fifty years ago, I would agree with you. But everyone divorces now. It's the 'in' thing.
Quote: And those words are still absolutely correct.
So you're telling me that it wasn't posted to further the cause of gay rights, but just to show that penguins can be gay?
If I'd known that, I would have just said "So what?" and saved us both a lot of time.
Quote: Forced submission to societal expectations when that is not your best course in a better world is not good. That is what you advocate and it is wrong.
But it's whether the course is best that is always in debate. And there is no debating that American society, save for a few details, was undoubtedly better and stronger several decades ago than today.
Quote: Oh, you can choose to ignore it, as I said, but the feeling, if you look, is unchangable. If you're homosexual there isn't anything you can do about it.
Are you gay?
Quote: Too stupid for words... public exposure versus homosexuality? They have almost nothing in common.
No, except for one major thing: They supposedly don't hurt anyone. So tell me how public masturbation hurts anyone. Your argument is that homosexual marriages don't hurt anyone and on that basis should be legal. Therefore, if we do that, we have to let anyone do anything they want, so long as they don't harm someone in the process. Otherwise, you are being discriminatory. This has nothing to do with the act of public exposure, it's about the inevitable consequences of what you people are trying to do, and just like the destructive fools trying to force their immorality on America, you are ignoring these consequences because you either lack the intelligence or the foresight to see the damage it can cause to society. Then again, you yourself said you welcome and applaud damaging society and tradition, so perhaps you do know and see the damage you're causing, and that is even more frightening.
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