12th February 2004, 3:19 PM
Quote: If you were wondering why, in the other thread, I asked you if you slept through your tenth-grade biology class...
You are incredibly deluded if you think biology will actually DISPROVE homosexuality as a thing that has zero choice involved.
Quote: Well, it's fine for you that your state is on the level of a banana republic. Leave the rest of us alone.
One of the few places I can think of that's better (politically) would be Massachusetts... though Vermont is pretty good too. :)
Quote:I think it's unarguable that times were better when marriages were stable, children had two parents, girls weren't getting pregnant at fourteen, and weren't killing babies to make up for their indiscretions. When drug use wasn't rampant and murder much less common.
There are definite benefits to the 'good old days'.
Yeah, have fun dying decades younger of now-curable diseases... but I'd rather stay here thank you very much. As I said 'the past was better' is an eternal complaint, and eternally incorrect.
And teenage pregnancy is down... I bet it's WAY below where it was at just about any point in our history. As for drugs, how about the late 1800s and early 1900s when anything was legal and snake oil "medicines" filled with toxic things or drugs were the norm?
Quote:If that were true, this thread would have never gotten a response. You may remember that it began with you posting what you thought was proof and me responding to that.
Didn't say it was proof and never told you to take it that way. Just said it makes your position less tenable in some ways.
Quote:No one is 'hurt' if I sit in the middle of the sidewalk and masturbate, either. Yet, there are laws against that. I guess it's right-wing fear and hatred that keeps public masturbation illegal too.
Oh come on, that is absurd...
Quote:As if they wouldn't be divorcing all the time, or something, right? As if being gay somehow makes for a better marriage?
No, divorce is here to stay, obviously. But getting these people into committed relationships would obviously help...
Quote:If that were true, this thread would have never gotten a response. You may remember that it began with you posting what you thought was proof and me responding to that.
Listen. As in actually consider what you read. You people don't, and at this point I never expect you to.
Quote:Why should polygamy be banned if homosexual marriage isn't? What good reason to keep polygamists from being unhappy? It's discrimination! Maybe they're born that way!
I already said why! Polygamy by definition is discrimination!
Quote:Well, I don't support it for a minute, but if you allow homosexual marriage on the virtue that conventional marriage discriminates against them, you have to allow for these, because conventional marriage also discriminates against these types of people too, and the reasoning is no better or worse than it is against homosexual marriage.
I believe they should all be illegal. You believe that one group of people deserves special consideration and the others can go to hell, though, I'm sure that if there were someone out there even more liberal than you, they'd push for incest and polygamy legalization.
Other than the unfairness, the biggest problem is that homosexual couples don't get the legal benefits of being married. That is a major problem and a huge wrong we must right... call them Civil Unions for now, as I said at this point it's all I can really hope for, but give them the benefits they deserve. Fairness should be the basis for what we do... but of course you don't believe in fair so that doesn't matter to you.
And you're ignoring me because I already said how homosexuality is fundamentally different from those things.
Quote:Actually, a vast majority of Confederate soldiers fought because they were conscripted. They were drafting, at one point, all the way to age 45, an old man in those days.
They eventually drafted, but not at the beginning, and a lot of people volonteered... and my point about wanting a class below them is hardly my idea. It is a fact. You feel better when you know you aren't the worst... they knew that if blacks got free they'd at least be an equal class with the poorest whites and those people did not want blacks of all people to raise themselves up... it's simple logic, and as I said I've read it in plenty of places. And as I said same with the Irish in the North.
Quote:Hmm.
Oh, and I don't hate gays. I don't have a problem with people doing whatever they want in the privacy of their own beds, or believing what they think is right... the problem is when you take your morals and apply them to everyone without stopping to think if your morality SHOULD apply to everyone (ie, all morality is not objectively right)... just keep your beliefs to yourself and believe whatever you want.
Thank you and good night.
Heh... using my words against me... but there is a difference here. We legally say that what your religion is is protected by law. We do not for sexuality. And you can't just bottle up homosexuals and say 'live together but you can never marry (or whatever you call it)' becuase as I said that is a massive, massive act of discrimination, as they don't get any of the marriage benefits that mean so much!