Homosexual Penguins

[Weltall]

No, I didn't read all of it (too much to be worth the effort), but I did see that line. He's just wrong. There is no other reason.

Oh, and its because of people like you that is why the rest of the world thinks we are the most dangerous country on earth... and why we probably are...

Obivously you didn't. You missed out on a lot of it. Again, if you had, you would have realized you're trying to stare down someone much more knowledgable than yourself. Not that something like that ever stops you.

Its because of all the incredibly idiotic things you people say that is why I dropped this debate. It is depressing to see how the bounds of stupidity in the human race have absolutely no limits...

I'm sorry that facts continually get in the way of your little fairy world fantasy vision for humanity.

Hating people because they are different is wrong. Persecuting people because they are different is wrong. Allowing persecution of people because they are different is wrong. Equality is a good thing. Morality? That is of course important, but it should be based on what is objectively (and legally) right, not on what is religiously right... I simply do not understand this right-wing idea that gay marriage will destroy the family. It just makes no sense at all to me... I don't see why anyone should care if it's two men or a man and a woman. If it's a loving, monogamous relationship, who's to say who is in it? Your position is exactly the same as the Southerners who fought racial integration... religiously based and very, very morally corrupt.

Point 1: Gay people have equal marriage rights. They are not barred from marriage, just from marrying another in the same gender. We are also unable to marry family, or others who are already married, or animals. So I suppose it's 'discrimination' that we 'persecute' people who wish to participate in these activities. Hell, maybe they're genetically predisposed to them.

There is a good reason homosexual marriage is often lumped in with incest, bestiality and polygamy: They are deviant sexual behaviors. Often they don't cause physical pain to anyone, but they're still immoral and wrong. It's a societal unwillingness to accept this. Religion plays a part in it, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. After all, if there is no difference between gays marrying, there's no difference between brothers and sisters marrying. Whatever kids they have will still be fucked for life.

Point 2: Southerners fought in favor of slavery for primarily economic and political reasons, you ignorant little man. Religion was hardly a man factor.

As for integration, my position is different in one way: Blacks can't help being born black.

You seem to have some insane idea that if gay marriage (or civil unions even) are allowed then next will be ... oh, I don't know... allowing polygamy and polyamory? A complete breakdown of civil society? I cannot think of a stupider idea... and when it eventually happens (probably in other countries far before it gets to conservative America) you'll see how foolish your position is. Well you should already... maybe the next generation will? :(

Complete breakdown? No. It'll just add a few cracks that will slowly cause its damage. Just like how our society today is in much worse shape now than it was fifty years ago, even with the good changes. Many changes have been for the considerable worse. This will be one of them.

I just fundamentally do not understand how so many people can hate so much (over this and other things), and don't really want to know... it is very disturbing to see people who have so much hate over these things... it'd be sad if it wasn't so dangerous and bad for society.

You're right near Canada. They have gay marriage. Get lost and quit whining already. They've got everything you want, practically.

Because for homosexuals that is the best setting... and before you say 'then don't have them adopt' there are far, far more children waiting to be adopted than there are parents who want them so that is wrong. For them any family would be far better. :)

And two parents is better than one. In any case where they aren't abusive or something that is.

[QUOTE] And you say 'tradition'... yeah, there are a lot of traditions. Slavery was a tradition for a long time too. Traditions aren't always right. Especially when like this they enforce unfair inequality. Oh, and I am sure that there really isn't a significant difference if there is one at all between how well homosexual couples and heterosexual ones raise children... you are saying one parent is the same as two (ie the main thing is that they are the same gender, not that there's one or two which is vastly more relevant) and that is just absurd.

Financially better for the kids, maybe. Psychologically, that's likely a very different story.

Blacks had to go through that to get their rights too.

But blacks are born black. Gays are not born gay, and children of gays, while likelier to end up gay one day, are not gay from the start. it's still not a good reason to put them in that situation.

Allowing homosexual marriage would help that, not hurt it.

No. It would change marriage into something very different. I love how liberals today point to high divorce rates as justification for homosexuality not being a threat to the sanctity of marriage when it's the drug-addicted liberal hippies of the 60s who are eminently to blame for that with their utter lack of morals and their ability to project and indoctrinate everyone else with them. Their method of thinking is "We've trashed it and it's in bad shape, so why not just finish it off?"

No.