8th February 2004, 7:53 PM
A Black Falcon Wrote:You don't have facts. You have deluded yourself into thinking your lack of facts are facts, and say that all the facts that exist are lies (see: how actual homosexuals say they are)... facts? Don't be absurd...
Has every homosexual in the world chimed in their opinion? Or even most? Many? Half? A quarter?
Or perhaps a very, very small number who claim to speak for them all?
Quote:Because of religion. I'd call that hate and fear, not "morals and decency". Fear that your interpretation of what you believe might be wrong, but absolute denial of the idea so it turns to hate.
Well, by that reasoning, everyone hates everything they're opposed to. All I hate is the ideas you're putting forth. I don't hate people. Nor, do I suspect, you hate all Christians, even though you seem diametrically opposed to their beliefs.
Quote:Umm, and how does this say that it's not genetic? Oh wait, it doesn't! If it's 10% like it said it was in those animal populations (though it's probably smaller) you wouldn't have lots of family history... just one person every so often... so it's hardly like you could easily tell that way.
Either way. How this could possibly be a vindication for the argument of genetics is beyond me.
Quote:As I said, alchohol isn't hardwired into us and sex is.
Sex is hardwired into us. Who or what to have sex with is not. Drinking is hardwired into us. What to drink is not.
Quote:Yes, because homosexuals are all lying when they say it was not a choice, and lying when they say that they couldn't be happy in a heterosexual relationship, and lying when they say they are unhappy in them, and lying when they say that when they figured out what they were suddenly everything made sense, etc, etc, etc? I DON'T THINK SO!
Okay, let me ask you this: Since when is HAPPINESS genetic now? You're telling me these people can't be happy in a heterosexual relationship because their genes will not let them.
Yet, happiness is a frivolous thing. What makes a person happy and content changes with any number of infinite circumstances. There is no single thing in the world that every human being finds pleasurable. You know this is true, and therefore you should know better than to try telling me that their unhappiness is genetic. They're unhappy being in a heterosexual relationship because they're gay, but genetics isn't a good explaination for that at all. Thought and happiness have nothing to do with genetics either.
And honesty, what did they suddenly discover? Their genes are gay? No. Some attribute it to that, but it bears repeating that there is no proof of it.
Quote:As for what we are born with.. it is not a blank slate. Genetics are there and play a role just as key as environment and upbringing. This is the accepted idea by biology -- it is a mix of genetics and environment. Both are vital parts. Given how deep it goes sexuality is certainly genetic in part (the size of the part is debatable but it's a significant one).
Doubtless. Sexuality is very genetic. The physical side is completely genetic. But the mental side of it is not. Not in the least. Humans use no organs or scents or patterns that are coded to relate to sexuality, like many animals do, so the idea of sexual attraction is mental, which is why everyone in the world has their own idea of who their ideal mate is, instead of simply whoever has the right color hair or shape of eyes. For if we assume that something as complex as homosexuality is genetic, we also have to assume that even more particular attraction is genetic as well, such as a person is genetically attracted to blondes. We also have to assume that the more deviant sexual behaviors are genetic, such as bestiality, child-molestation, and God knows what else. We know that none of that is true.
Quote:You just look for the few shreds of "evidence" that support your side and ignore everything else, as usual. That is a very flawed way to present a position.
There's not much to ignore. Everything you say just does not apply to genetics, and you don't seem to know enough to realize it. I can't make you learn basic genetics, though you ought to take a little time and try.
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