8th February 2004, 2:39 PM
You don't have facts. You have deluded yourself into thinking your lack of facts are facts, and say that all the facts that exist are lies (see: how actual homosexuals say they are)... facts? Don't be absurd...
Because of religion. I'd call that hate and fear, not "morals and decency". Fear that your interpretation of what you believe might be wrong, but absolute denial of the idea so it turns to hate.
Umm, and how does this say that it's not genetic? Oh wait, it doesn't! If it's 10% like it said it was in those animal populations (though it's probably smaller) you wouldn't have lots of family history... just one person every so often... so it's hardly like you could easily tell that way.
As I said, alchohol isn't hardwired into us and sex is.
Yes, because homosexuals are all lying when they say it was not a choice, and lying when they say that they couldn't be happy in a heterosexual relationship, and lying when they say they are unhappy in them, and lying when they say that when they figured out what they were suddenly everything made sense, etc, etc, etc? I DON'T THINK SO!
As for what we are born with.. it is not a blank slate. Genetics are there and play a role just as key as environment and upbringing. This is the accepted idea by biology -- it is a mix of genetics and environment. Both are vital parts. Given how deep it goes sexuality is certainly genetic in part (the size of the part is debatable but it's a significant one).
You just look for the few shreds of "evidence" that support your side and ignore everything else, as usual. That is a very flawed way to present a position.
Quote:Morals and decency. I can accept them for what they are, but I do not believe they deserve special treatment for it. That is not hatred. You obviously don't know what hatred is.
Because of religion. I'd call that hate and fear, not "morals and decency". Fear that your interpretation of what you believe might be wrong, but absolute denial of the idea so it turns to hate.
Quote:I'm saying if it were genetic it would require some family history of it (note that I specifically noted that it didn't have to be directly parental and you missed it), but since I'm fairly convinced it's not genetic, no, it would not require any ancestry or heritage.
Umm, and how does this say that it's not genetic? Oh wait, it doesn't! If it's 10% like it said it was in those animal populations (though it's probably smaller) you wouldn't have lots of family history... just one person every so often... so it's hardly like you could easily tell that way.
Quote:Incorrect. It is not a given. You can never become an alcholic if you never take a first drink, even if you're wired up to the ying-yang in the genetic makeup for it. And even if you do start, it is not impossible to stop. There is nothing in the genes that forces you to hit the bar. It is your psychology rather than the physical dependence. Many addictions are like that.
As I said, alchohol isn't hardwired into us and sex is.
Quote:Again, that's going only based on what some people say. Again, how many so-called 'genetic homosexuals' are living happily in heterosexual relationships? How many 'genetic homosexuals' don't even REALIZE it? Who is to say? Obviously such a thing is very possible, assuming genetics plays any role at all. And obviously the only ones who will say anything are those who are NOT happy.
Then of course, I raise the point that there is no specific behavior that people are born with, and while sexuality is a base behavior, specific, exclusionary sexuality is not. You should know this. I've pointed it out many times, and your denials lack any basis in fact.
As I predicted, what this argument boils down to is me giving known facts and you countering with what little you think you know.
Yes, because homosexuals are all lying when they say it was not a choice, and lying when they say that they couldn't be happy in a heterosexual relationship, and lying when they say they are unhappy in them, and lying when they say that when they figured out what they were suddenly everything made sense, etc, etc, etc? I DON'T THINK SO!
As for what we are born with.. it is not a blank slate. Genetics are there and play a role just as key as environment and upbringing. This is the accepted idea by biology -- it is a mix of genetics and environment. Both are vital parts. Given how deep it goes sexuality is certainly genetic in part (the size of the part is debatable but it's a significant one).
You just look for the few shreds of "evidence" that support your side and ignore everything else, as usual. That is a very flawed way to present a position.