Homosexual Penguins

[Weltall]

As for acceptance, your reasons are the same as everyone else's -- fear and hatred.

Morals and decency. I can accept them for what they are, but I do not believe they deserve special treatment for it. That is not hatred. You obviously don't know what hatred is.

We don't KNOW what genetic trait causes homosexuality so of course I'm vague!

It's not a question of which genetic trait, but whether it is a genetic trait at all. And since we are nowhere near proving the cause to be even vaguely genetic, assuming it to be is stupid.

It's your assuming that you know what it is when we have zero proof that's ignoring biology, not my saying that no one knows! It could be a trait that frequently skips people and generations and appears randomly, or a mutation that happens often (doubtful, but it could be caused by some specific womb conditions that are common or something like that, who knows?), or some recessive trait that requires some combonation from your parents... we don't know. All we do know is that it does NOT require you to have homosexual parents. That is a fact. You seem to be saying that it should require your parents to be gays or lesbians, but fact says tha that is not the case so your position is badly flawed.

I'm saying if it were genetic it would require some family history of it (note that I specifically noted that it didn't have to be directly parental and you missed it), but since I'm fairly convinced it's not genetic, no, it would not require any ancestry or heritage.

Just plain wrong. Mapping the genome doesn't mean we know what everything on all of those genes, or combonations of them, does.

We have a fairly good idea so far.

Some people are alchoholics because of genetics, actually... you should know that... they can stop drinking, but if they do they'll get hooked again.

Incorrect. It is not a given. You can never become an alcholic if you never take a first drink, even if you're wired up to the ying-yang in the genetic makeup for it. And even if you do start, it is not impossible to stop. There is nothing in the genes that forces you to hit the bar. It is your psychology rather than the physical dependence. Many addictions are like that.

Sexuality is a more extreme case -- drinking isn't hardwired into us as a basic instinct after all and sexuality is. As I said you can delude yourself into thinking you are okay, given the fact that the brain can do all kinds of funny things, but when you really think about it... no. Homosexuals even in a normal relationship would not be okay. And I've read plenty to know that that's true. And of course gays wouldn't be happy in heterosexual relationships! How could they possibly be when they think about it, if they don't see the other gender as sexually attractive?

Again, that's going only based on what some people say. Again, how many so-called 'genetic homosexuals' are living happily in heterosexual relationships? How many 'genetic homosexuals' don't even REALIZE it? Who is to say? Obviously such a thing is very possible, assuming genetics plays any role at all. And obviously the only ones who will say anything are those who are NOT happy.

Then of course, I raise the point that there is no specific behavior that people are born with, and while sexuality is a base behavior, specific, exclusionary sexuality is not. You should know this. I've pointed it out many times, and your denials lack any basis in fact.

As I predicted, what this argument boils down to is me giving known facts and you countering with what little you think you know.